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    Re: Why is audio so complex on linux?

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    Re: Why is audio so complex on linux?

    Ok.. Ok... let me answer the basic question of the thread - Why is audio so complex on linux?

    #1 - I admit - Audio subsystem is very very complex in linux, no doubt, just look at esd, pulse, alsa, oss, gstreamer, xine, jack, arts kernel drivers, audio production/playback applications and around 100 tools and utilities to setup, configure and tweak them. In windows and mac world the average joe is concerned with just the driver and the application software, the rest are hard locked inside the system, and it generally never throws any ugly surprise.
    #2 - Why - Simple answer - perhaps nobody is serious about making it simple. KLANK is coming as a rescue, but my apprehension is that it might be another layer on top of the existing audio subsystem.
    #3 - Solution - Can't see it happen soon.
    Last edited by manmath; August 3rd, 2012 at 05:04 PM.

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    Re: Why is audio so complex on linux?

    there are about 7 settings to get correct in qjackctl,
    just as there are asio, soundcard, latency and bitrate
    settings in windows.

    As for "100 tools and utilities to setup", that all depends on
    what you are doing. The same sounds and tasks done in
    mac, linux, or windows, will require the same type of software.

    No shortcuts or miracles.

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    Re: Why is audio so complex on linux?

    Quote Originally Posted by sgx View Post
    No shortcuts or miracles.
    Do you find the audio subsystem comprising "esd, pulse, alsa, oss, gstreamer, xine, jack, arts kernel drivers" simple?

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    Re: Why is audio so complex on linux?

    If they were all needed, it would indeed be a task, but only
    jackd, alsa, and a few GUIs are needed to utilize the best
    linux audio apps, and a Reaper/wineasio setup.

    My /usr/bin folder is under 400 meg, and 100 meg of that is
    graphics apps I have yet to use. Most people having
    consistent audio difficulties, just have to plod
    up the same type of learning curve that mac/win users do.
    Same steps, with some varied labeling.

    Some musicians are unwittingly burdened by
    linux bloatware. Since linux is most often delivered
    with a wide array of apps, the beta-testing needed to iron out
    the kinks and incompatibilities prior to release, doesn't happen.
    It would stagger even a billionaire commercial OS developer,
    so they let just let the customers do it for them.
    It is high tribute to linux app coders, that things work together
    as well as they do.

    There are both giant, and tiny customized linux versions for
    audio production, and barebones distros waiting to be configured
    with a users choice of apps. Bodhi is Ubuntu based, and a 400 meg
    iso, so a small uncluttered studio is just a Synaptic/dpkg session
    away from the average user.

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    Re: Why is audio so complex on linux?

    And while discussing difficulties, after all these years, there should be a sticky topic here for audio/video hardware devices that worked out of the box, or worked with certain steps taken, including the specs of the computer each device worked in. The alsa matrix is fine,
    but not centered around any certain distro, and the sometimes unique issues that are presented.
    Cheers

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    Re: Why is audio so complex on linux?

    If this discussion is still ongoing, I'd like to contribute to it.

    I think that audio in Linux is indeed too complex. What I want, basically, is to plug one of my four electric string instruments, hit a button on my computer and play/record, for I'm a musician - and the chances of ever becoming an it wizzard like gsx, for instance, are extremely remote, at my age.

    Yes, audio IS mindbogglingly complicated in Linux, if you don't happen to have a grade in IT (like me). But I also suffered loads of misery, for years on end, when I started out on the very idea of playing and recording my instruments on a PC in the first place: That was on Windows XP - and I can't think of any other system in the world more patronizing and pettily tyrranical than that one. Besides, for every problem sorted, 2 or 3 fresh ones would be on my plate, time and anon!

    Some 8 years on (having switched to Linux in the meanwhile), there's still no sound in Ardour. I'll be trying my luck with Audacity and Rakarrack now. But give me Linux any time, since I find it eminently reliable.

    Except in the sound department perhaps...

    tnob

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