Apple Opens source for its lossless audio codec

[dpny]

Closed source software keeps their users tied to their hardware. That's the Apple mantra, as it has always has been.

Tied?

People choose to use the software and hardware because they like it. There are no victims on this scenario.

[gsmanners]

People choose to use the software and hardware because they like it.

Which is precisely why Steve Jobs stabbed the clone market in the back.

[krapp]

Tied?

People choose to use the software and hardware because they like it. There are no victims on this scenario.

Uh you're the only one talking about victimhood here. I quite enjoy the role of Linux fundamentalist, but I wasn't playing that here. Apple's software is top notch. Their hardware is overpriced. Limit use of software to hardware: overpriced hardware is guaranteed to sell. Otherwise you're left with a very paradoxical portrait of consumers.

[dpny]

Otherwise you're left with a very paradoxical portrait of consumers.

Not paradoxical at all: the value is in the integration of hardware and software.

[krapp]

Well value is an interesting and long discussion, but let's just remark that Apple by some sleight of hand (never mind what it is here, though I'd be happy to elaborate elsewhere) has managed to convince people that bargains, that old favorite of America, are no longer desired.

[dpny]

Well value is an interesting and long discussion, but let's just remark that Apple by some sleight of hand (never mind what it is here, though I'd be happy to elaborate elsewhere) has managed to convince people that bargains, that old favorite of America, are no longer desired.

No sleight of hand: stuff which just works is a value. Money is not a deciding factor for everyone.

[Legendary_Bibo]

Well value is an interesting and long discussion, but let's just remark that Apple by some sleight of hand (never mind what it is here, though I'd be happy to elaborate elsewhere) has managed to convince people that bargains, that old favorite of America, are no longer desired.

Someone wants an Apple product, therefore they value it, yeah Apple computers might be a bit overpriced, so what? It's someone else's decision, and their choice to buy and love Apple products. Everyone develops a brand loyalty for everything. I mean do you always get bread from a certain company, do you like certain restaurants that you repeatedly go to? Brand loyalty is everywhere, it's what people like, and it's their choice. Some people value different things than you, some people care to look at the source code of everything running through their CPUs, and some people just want to boot up their computer and look at funny pictures of cats or whatever. Isn't shoving the concept of "software freedom" down other people throats just as evil as the doings of corporations it claims to be fighting?

[krapp]

Oh boy. This little exchange went from my suggesting the absence of a necessity to keep ALAC closed, to my citing an obvious example (in fact one that gsmanners also used), to accusations that I'm somehow calling Apple's users victims, and now I'm told I'm shoving something down someone's throat.

[Thewhistlingwind]

Oh boy. This little exchange went from my suggesting the absence of a necessity to keep ALAC closed, to my citing an obvious example (in fact one that gsmanners also used), to accusations that I'm somehow calling Apple's users victims, and now I'm told I'm shoving something down someone's throat.

I have to agree. All you said was that this was a moot subject. (Which I agree with somewhat, however ALAC is important to a degree for Linux to support apple devices.)

You said that, and are now being batted with concepts like free choice and different requirements. Which your initial post had nothing to do with.

[Legendary_Bibo]

Oh boy. This little exchange went from my suggesting the absence of a necessity to keep ALAC closed, to my citing an obvious example (in fact one that gsmanners also used), to accusations that I'm somehow calling Apple's users victims, and now I'm told I'm shoving something down someone's throat.

I never said you were shoving your values down people's throats.