Gnome 3 fallback mode is great :) How long will it be available?

[Lucradia]

It's not the same thing. Just the same name. The classic enviroment in 11.04 is Gnome 2.x with the panel turned on and the Unity compiz plugin turned off. The "Classic" fallback mode is Gnome3 with a different shell that is similar to the panel. It still doesn't have as many plugins yet.

One is gnome 2, and the other is gnome 3. It's still a huge difference (improvement, I should say). The desktop interface just works very similarly.

So what's the difference between "Classic" and "Classic (No Effects)"?

Since they're both gnome 3 with a gnome2-like panel.

[ninjaaron]

The fallback mode in Gnome 3 does use Gnome-panel and Metacity ported to GTK3. Not all applets have been ported yet, but fallback mode is 90% the same as Gnome 2.

Well, in terms of interface, yes. Gnome 3, however is designed for apps developed with the GTK3 toolkit, which gives developers greater power and flexibility for creating gui software. It's a significant difference, in my opinion, but it will take some time before that difference becomes apparent.

So what's the difference between "Classic" and "Classic (No Effects)"?

Since they're both gnome 3 with a gnome2-like panel.

If we're talking about 'Classic' in 11.04, it's not Gnome 3. 11.04 is 100% Gnome 2.

[Lucradia]

If we're talking about 'Classic' in 11.04, it's not Gnome 3. 11.04 is 100% Gnome 2.

Not sure what this guy's using though: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...98&postcount=7

[ninjaaron]

Not sure what this guy's using though: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...98&postcount=7

Looks like 11.10 in a virtual box. I believe the differences between these two have to do with OpenGL options for the window manager. I don't know what those options are, as I'm very satisfied with Unity and Gnome Shell, and haven't felt any need to install the fallback session.

[viperdvman]

Show us a screenshot of your GNOME fallback. Well, post it in the screenshots thread and a link to it here

I want to see what you've achieved with the GNOME 3 Fallback

[3Miro]

OK, too much confusion ... lets clarify things a little.

Ubuntu 11.04 comes with Gnome 2 and three options: Ubuntu = the new Unity interface, Ubuntu Classic = Gnome-panel + Compiz (same as 10.10), Ubuntu Classic (No Effects) = Gnome-panel + Metacity (same as 10.10 if you disable desktop effects).

The official Gnome 2 comes with Gnome-panel + Metacity, Ubuntu uses Compiz in place of Metacity for extra effects.

The official Gnome 3 comes with Gnome-shell and Gnome-fallback. Gnome-shell is the new Windows Manager and new interface. Gnome-fallback = Gnome-panel + Metacity ported to GTK3. Gnome-fallback interface is the exact same interface as Gnome 2, except some applets may be missing. Both Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 can run GTK3 apps, it is just that Gnome 3 (with Gnome-shell or Gnome-fallback) are better for GTK3. Any advantages that Gnome-fallback can have are entirely in the background.

Ubuntu 11.10 comes with Gnome 3 and Unity 3D interface as default and Unity 2D as fallback. Gnome-shell and Gnome-fallback are available in the Software Center and they appear in the login screen as Gnome something (shell, Classic, Fallback ...)

[wolfen69]

i found out you can configure the panels just like before if you press alt while right clicking. I now can have gnome 3 fallback look and feel just like gnome 2.

This is something a lot of people don't realize. They just want to cry about gnome 2 not being supported anymore instead of actually trying G3 and tweaking it to be like G2.

[ninjaaron]

OK, too much confusion ... lets clarify things a little.

Ubuntu 11.04 comes with Gnome 2 and three options: Ubuntu = the new Unity interface, Ubuntu Classic = Gnome-panel + Compiz (same as 10.10), Ubuntu Classic (No Effects) = Gnome-panel + Metacity (same as 10.10 if you disable desktop effects).

The official Gnome 2 comes with Gnome-panel + Metacity, Ubuntu uses Compiz in place of Metacity for extra effects.

The official Gnome 3 comes with Gnome-shell and Gnome-fallback. Gnome-shell is the new Windows Manager and new interface. Gnome-fallback = Gnome-panel + Metacity ported to GTK3. Gnome-fallback interface is the exact same interface as Gnome 2, except some applets may be missing. Both Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 can run GTK3 apps, it is just that Gnome 3 (with Gnome-shell or Gnome-fallback) are better for GTK3. Any advantages that Gnome-fallback can have are entirely in the background.

Ubuntu 11.10 comes with Gnome 3 and Unity 3D interface as default and Unity 2D as fallback. Gnome-shell and Gnome-fallback are available in the Software Center and they appear in the login screen as Gnome something (shell, Classic, Fallback ...)

Good description, except that Clutter Mutter is the WM for Gnome Shell. Gnome shell is just another UI layer.

[sffvba[e0rt]

Good description, except that Clutter is the WM for Gnome Shell. Gnome shell is just another UI layer.

Clutter or Mutter (to many new terms for me to keep up)...


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[ninjaaron]

Clutter or Mutter (to many new terms for me to keep up)...


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I think it's clutter... Uh... I think mutter was the WM for Unity in 10.10 Netbook edition... a mixture of clutter and metacity, I think it was supposed to be.

I'm confused now too.

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nope you're right. Mutter it is in Gnome 3.