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Hi all. I need some help.
I have to work in Turkey for the next 4 weeks, mostly away from easy internet options. For internet access, I have been given an AVEA Jet card. The model is ZTE MF190 HSUPA. So far, my system does not even seem to see it.
Does anyone have any idea how to set this up?
HH
Ubuntu addict and loving it
Hi,
please show the outputs of
Code:uname -a lsusb lsmod usb-devices
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Ok. Here goes:
Linux almyra 2.6.32-32-generic #62-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 20 21:54:21 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 12d1:14d1 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04f2:b128 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Module Size Used by
usb_storage 39841 0
binfmt_misc 6587 1
ppdev 5259 0
snd_hda_codec_realtek 203376 1
fbcon 35102 71
tileblit 1999 1 fbcon
font 7557 1 fbcon
bitblit 4707 1 fbcon
softcursor 1189 1 bitblit
vga16fb 11385 0
vgastate 8961 1 vga16fb
snd_hda_intel 22069 2
snd_hda_codec 74201 2 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep 5412 1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm_oss 35308 0
snd_mixer_oss 13746 1 snd_pcm_oss
joydev 8740 0
snd_pcm 70694 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
arc4 1153 2
snd_seq_dummy 1338 0
snd_seq_oss 26722 0
snd_seq_midi 4557 0
snd_rawmidi 19056 1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 6003 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq 47263 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_mid i_event
snd_timer 19098 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 5700 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi ,snd_seq
ath9k 306106 0
i915 287810 4
mac80211 205402 1 ath9k
uvcvideo 57374 0
drm_kms_helper 29329 1 i915
ath 7611 1 ath9k
snd 54244 16 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec, snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_se q_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
videodev 34361 1 uvcvideo
drm 162377 5 i915,drm_kms_helper
cfg80211 126144 3 ath9k,mac80211,ath
psmouse 63245 0
v4l1_compat 13251 2 uvcvideo,videodev
serio_raw 3978 0
intel_agp 24375 2 i915
led_class 2864 1 ath9k
agpgart 31724 2 drm,intel_agp
soundcore 6620 1 snd
i2c_algo_bit 5028 1 i915
snd_page_alloc 7076 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
video 17375 1 i915
output 1871 1 video
lp 7028 0
parport 32635 2 ppdev,lp
r8169 34140 0
mii 4381 1 r8169
T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=480 MxCh= 8
D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0002 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic ehci_hcd
S: Product=EHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.7
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 3 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=12d1 ProdID=14d1 Rev=01.02
S: Manufacturer=HUAWEI
S: Product=Vodafone Mobile Broadband (Huawei)
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=500mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage
T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 2 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=ef(misc ) Sub=02 Prot=01 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=04f2 ProdID=b128 Rev=40.07
S: Manufacturer=Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd.
S: Product=USB2.0 UVC WebCam
C: #Ifs= 2 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=500mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=0e(video) Sub=01 Prot=00 Driver=uvcvideo
I: If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 0 Cls=0e(video) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=uvcvideo
T: Bus=02 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.0
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=03 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.1
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=04 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.2
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=05 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.3
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
Is that informative?
Ubuntu addict and loving it
and the driverCode:Bus 001 Device 003: ID 12d1:14d1 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
mean that it is in "storage" not in "modem"-mode. Install usb-modeswitch:Code:T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 3 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=12d1 ProdID=14d1 Rev=01.02 S: Manufacturer=HUAWEI S: Product=Vodafone Mobile Broadband (Huawei) C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=500mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage
and change to modem-modus. Can you right-click on a CD-Symbol on your desktop and "safely remove" the "disc"? This can also work. usb-modeswitch is recommended.Code:sudo apt-get install usb-modeswitch usb-modeswitch-data
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Unfortunately, I get this:
usb-modeswitch is already the newest version.
usb-modeswitch-data is already the newest version.
usb-modeswitch-data set to manually installed.
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
linux-headers-2.6.32-21 linux-headers-2.6.32-21-generic
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
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I've also tried safe removal - but no difference. So far.
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Oops. Let me correct these readings. Had the wrong modem in (was fiddling about with as friend's).
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 19d2:2000 ONDA Communication S.p.A. ZTE MF627/MF628/MF628+ HSDPA
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04f2:b128 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Module Size Used by
usb_storage 39841 0
binfmt_misc 6587 1
ppdev 5259 0
snd_hda_codec_realtek 203376 1
fbcon 35102 71
tileblit 1999 1 fbcon
font 7557 1 fbcon
bitblit 4707 1 fbcon
softcursor 1189 1 bitblit
vga16fb 11385 0
vgastate 8961 1 vga16fb
snd_hda_intel 22069 2
snd_hda_codec 74201 2 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep 5412 1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm_oss 35308 0
snd_mixer_oss 13746 1 snd_pcm_oss
joydev 8740 0
snd_pcm 70694 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
arc4 1153 2
snd_seq_dummy 1338 0
snd_seq_oss 26722 0
snd_seq_midi 4557 0
snd_rawmidi 19056 1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 6003 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq 47263 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_mid i_event
snd_timer 19098 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 5700 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi ,snd_seq
ath9k 306106 0
i915 287810 4
mac80211 205402 1 ath9k
uvcvideo 57374 0
drm_kms_helper 29329 1 i915
ath 7611 1 ath9k
snd 54244 16 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec, snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_se q_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
videodev 34361 1 uvcvideo
drm 162377 5 i915,drm_kms_helper
cfg80211 126144 3 ath9k,mac80211,ath
psmouse 63245 0
v4l1_compat 13251 2 uvcvideo,videodev
serio_raw 3978 0
intel_agp 24375 2 i915
led_class 2864 1 ath9k
agpgart 31724 2 drm,intel_agp
soundcore 6620 1 snd
i2c_algo_bit 5028 1 i915
snd_page_alloc 7076 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
video 17375 1 i915
output 1871 1 video
lp 7028 0
parport 32635 2 ppdev,lp
r8169 34140 0
mii 4381 1 r8169
T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=480 MxCh= 8
D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0002 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic ehci_hcd
S: Product=EHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.7
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 5 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=19d2 ProdID=2000 Rev=00.00
S: Manufacturer=ZTE,Incorporated
S: Product=ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM
S: SerialNumber=MF1900AVED010000
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=500mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=(none)
T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 2 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=ef(misc ) Sub=02 Prot=01 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=04f2 ProdID=b128 Rev=40.07
S: Manufacturer=Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd.
S: Product=USB2.0 UVC WebCam
C: #Ifs= 2 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=500mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=0e(video) Sub=01 Prot=00 Driver=uvcvideo
I: If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 0 Cls=0e(video) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=uvcvideo
T: Bus=02 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.0
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=03 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.1
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=04 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.2
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=05 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.3
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
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...and now, with the correct modem in, my computer does not even see a CD drive, it appears.
Ubuntu addict and loving it
is storage mode, set up an udev-rule:Code:Bus 001 Device 005: ID 19d2:2000 ONDA Communication S.p.A. ZTE MF627/MF628/MF628+ HSDPA
Insert the following:Code:gksudo gedit /lib/udev/rules.d/61-option-modem-modeswitch.rules
save, exit and reload udev:Code:ATTRS{idVendor}=="19d2", ATTRS{idProduct}=="2000", RUN+="modem-modeswitch -v 0x%s{idVendor} -p 0x%s{idProduct} -t option-zerocd"
Check:Code:sudo service udev reload
It should now show the modem ID 19d2:0037 and the driver "option"Code:lsusb usb-devices
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Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 19d2:2000 ONDA Communication S.p.A. ZTE MF627/MF628/MF628+ HSDPA
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04f2:b128 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=480 MxCh= 8
D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0002 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic ehci_hcd
S: Product=EHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.7
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 5 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=19d2 ProdID=2000 Rev=00.00
S: Manufacturer=ZTE,Incorporated
S: Product=ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM
S: SerialNumber=MF1900AVED010000
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=500mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=(none)
T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 2 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=ef(misc ) Sub=02 Prot=01 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=04f2 ProdID=b128 Rev=40.07
S: Manufacturer=Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd.
S: Product=USB2.0 UVC WebCam
C: #Ifs= 2 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=500mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=0e(video) Sub=01 Prot=00 Driver=uvcvideo
I: If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 0 Cls=0e(video) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=uvcvideo
T: Bus=02 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.0
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=03 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.1
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=04 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.2
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
T: Bus=05 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=02.06
S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.32-32-generic uhci_hcd
S: Product=UHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.3
C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
Still can't see it...
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