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    Many people have posted queries because they struggle to use Wine. From a "newbie" point of view, I personally found Wine too confusing to use, and therefore I have never learned to use it — yet I still manage to use a couple of Windows programs.

    How?

    I use PlayOnLinux.

    This how-to is so that both new users, and other users (such as me) who find Wine too confusing, can nevertheless use it easily.


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    Contents


    1. Disclaimers & Warnings
    2. Why use PlayOnLinux?
    3. What are the alternatives are there?
    4. How to install PlayOnLinux
    5. How to install a "supported" Windows program
    6. How to install an "unsupported" Windows program
    7. How to uninstall a Windows program



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    A. Disclaimers and Warnings


    • I am not an expert in Wine nor in running Windows programs under Wine (although I have used PlayOnLinux since 8.04 on both Ubuntu and Lubuntu). However, PlayOnLinux has saved me plenty of learning and frustration, and this how-to is to share my limited knowledge.
    • Wine is not a perfect replacement for Windows — in fact, it is rather limited. Most Windows programs will not work under Wine; some will be buggy, and a few will work well. Refer to the Wine database to find how well your preferred Windows application is likely to work.
    • Some Windows programs will run slower under Linux, and others faster. It seems to depend on your hardware and available drivers.

    If you have problems, please post a query under the original thread and I'll do my best to answer.

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    B. Why use PlayOnLinux?


    1. GUI; no need for the command line interface (CLI).
    2. Hides the complexity of Wine.
    3. Uses "virtual drives" (see notes below).
    4. Some applications are "supported" (e.g. Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, Microsoft Office, Spore); PlayOnLinux automates their installation.
    5. You can manually install "unsupported" applications.


    What is a "virtual drive"?

    Think of each virtual drive as a separate Windows machine. If you install each program in its own virtual drive:

    • Windows programs don't interfere with each other.
    • Uninstalling a badly-functioning or unwanted program is a doddle (PlayOnLinux simply deletes the virtual drive).


    You can, if you want, install several programs on a single virtual drive, but usually it's easier and safer to give each program its own virtual drive.

    Cons

    What are the cons of using PlayOnLinux?


    • PlayOnLinux is just a front-end to Wine. Therefore, it has all the same cons as using Wine; many Windows programs don't work, or they work with flaws.
    • Sometimes, installing a Windows program can be a little buggy. For example, I have previously installed Publisher 2003 without any problem, but when redoing it for this how-to I had a problem.
    • Some programs may not work on a 64-bit installation.



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    C. What alternatives are there?

    Instead of using Wine, which has many imperfections...

    • You can use Crossover. Being a commercial company, it does cost, but it is likely to support Windows programs better. There is a great Compatibility search bar at the top of the web page. Crossover "revolves around the Wine project" (its wording) and shares all improvements with Wine.
    • For the finest results, either dual-boot with Windows, or run Windows in a virtual machine such as VirtualBox (if your machine can handle it). This gives you 100% compatibility — well, to the extent that Microsoft products are compatible with Windows .


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    D. How to install PlayOnLinux

    PlayOnLinux comes in the default repositories, but I prefer to have the latest version available.

    Use the latest available version (optional):

    1. Open the Ubuntu Software Centre > Edit > Software Sources > Other Software > Add.
    2. In APT line, type the following (replace "precise" with your distro, e.g. "lucid", if you have an earlier version):
      Code:
      deb http://deb.playonlinux.com/ precise main
    3. Press Add Source.
    4. Close the window; open a terminal and enter the following. (If you don't like the terminal, then open Update Manager instead and select Check.)
      Code:
      sudo apt-get update

    Install PlayOnLinux:


    1. Open the Ubuntu Software Centre.
    2. Search for playonlinux.
    3. Install.


    "Initialise" PlayOnLinux

    On Gnome Classic, you will find PlayOnLinux under your Games menu (I'm not sure why it's there!). On Unity, of course, you can just use the Dash.


    1. Open PlayOnLinux. Often when you do this, it will "refresh":
      Refreshing.png
    2. But the very first time you run it, PlayOnLinux will lead you through a process to download the Microsoft fonts. You must be connected to the Internet and agree to the license conditions.
      Initial.png
      Follow the instructions.



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    E. How to install a "supported" Windows program

    When PlayOnLinux "supports" a program, it automates the process for you.

    I will illustrate this through an example: Internet Explorer 8.

    1. Start PlayOnLinux > the big Install button at the top > Internet > Internet Explorer 8 (or you can use the search bar).
      Internet Explorer 8.png
    2. Press Install.
    3. For some programs, e.g. Microsoft Office or Spore, you will need the original (legal) CD, DVD or purchased download.
    4. Follow the instructions.

      Remember: when the installation asks if you want to restart your computer, this applies to your pretend Windows machine, and not to your Ubuntu machine; you can safely go ahead and press the Windows restart button. PlayOnLinux will intelligently realise what is happening and restart your virtual installation without affecting your Ubuntu session.
    5. Once installed, you will see a launcher on your desktop (which you can delete if you want), and another on the PlayOnLinux window. Double-click either of them to open and test the application.
      IE8 installed.png



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    F. How to install an "unsupported" Windows program

    The process for installing an "unsupported" program is similar to installing a "supported" one. However, you will be given extra options.

    1. Start PlayOnLinux > the big Install button at the top > Install a non-listed program (at the bottom left of the window).
    2. A wizard appears. Press Next > Install a program in a new virtual drive (unless you want to use an existing virtual drive) > Next. This creates a new, independent, virtual drive (a pretend Windows machine), independently of any other Windows programs you have installed.
    3. Type a suitable short name without any spaces, e.g. Quicken.
    4. Press Next, and Next again.
    5. Browse to the installation file, which may be, for example, an autorun.exe on a CD or a downloaded .exe file.
      Select installation file.png
    6. Follow the prompts, which will depend on the application you are installing.
    7. Once installed, you will see a launcher on your desktop (which you can delete if you want), and another on the PlayOnLinux window. Double-click either of them to open the application.


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    G. How to uninstall a Windows program

    Uninstalling a Windows program is easy.

    1. Start PlayOnLinux > select the application you want to uninstall > press the big Remove button.
    2. A wizard appears > Next.
    3. When asked, "Do you want to delete the virtual drive…", press Yes > Next.



    What if my application does not appear?

    Sometimes, an installation fails (not even the installation process for that application works). Your virtual drive has been created, but you can't see the application. You can delete the virtual drive as follows.


    1. Close PlayOnLinux.
    2. Open Nautilus and navigate to your home folder > PlayOnLinux's virtual drives.
    3. Find the virtual drive you wish to delete, and delete it. Do not delete default.
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    Re: Wine too confusing? Howto: PlayOnLinux

    Very good tutorial. I was confused with wine at first, so I adopted PlayOnLinux. But with POL's ease of use, I was able to learn how to configure and use wine with the greatest of ease. I now no longer require a front end for wine or any wine program uses.
    There is a light that never goes out...over and over again.

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    Exclamation Security warning

    PlayOnLinux can be useful for running various Windows programs under Linux, but it also represents a major security hole.
    Wikipedia:
    Because of Wine's ability to run Windows binary code, concerns have been raised over native Windows viruses and malware affecting Unix-like operating systems.[53] Wine can run much malware, but programs running in Wine are confined to the current user's privileges, restricting some undesirable consequences. This is one reason Wine should never be run as the superuser.[54] Malware research software such as ZeroWine[55] runs Wine on Linux in a virtual machine, to keep the malware completely isolated from the host system.
    PlayOnLinux is just a graphical front-end for Wine, so there's no difference when comes to security.
    My recommendation: run Windows on a virtual machine, using a program like VirtualBox.
    Last edited by PCaddicted; August 15th, 2011 at 08:15 PM.

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    Re: Security warning

    Quote Originally Posted by PCaddicted View Post
    PlayOnLinux can be useful for running various Windows programs under Linux, but it also represents a major security hole.
    Thank you for that information. It is useful to know. Of course, there is the advantage that you will run only what you explicitly install; in my case it is exactly two Windows programs, so I have no concern about Windows malware.

    Quote Originally Posted by PCaddicted View Post
    My recommendation: run Windows on a virtual machine, using a program like VirtualBox.
    This is true, especially when using VB's excellent Seamless Windows option -- but only when your computer is strong enough to handle running it. In my case, it is not (my RAM is too low).
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    Re: Security warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy Landau View Post
    This is true, especially when using VB's excellent Seamless Windows option -- but only when your computer is strong enough to handle running it. In my case, it is not (my RAM is too low).
    If the computer is not strong enough to handle that, one can install Wine or PlayOnLinux inside a virtual machine with Linux.

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    Re: Security warning

    Quote Originally Posted by PCaddicted View Post
    If the computer is not strong enough to handle that, one can install Wine or PlayOnLinux inside a virtual machine with Linux.
    This is true. However, my computer slows unacceptably when I run a VM, even when the VM is Linux. But why bother when using Wine (or PlayOnLinux) with one or two carefully-selected programs? Especially when my Windows program runs faster under Wine than it did (on the same computer) under native Windows!

    I think your point about security is valid only if you're running Internet Explorer without a firewall, or many Windows programs -- in which case you'd probably be better booting directly into Windows!

    After all, Wine is useful only when there is a program or two that you have to use (there is no suitable Linux alternative) and you'd really rather use Linux, isn't that so?
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    Re: Wine too confusing? Howto: PlayOnLinux

    Great tutorial, I shall have a look. Although to be honest, there's so much on Linux now that it seems very difficult to justify Wine/frontends.

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    Re: Wine too confusing? Howto: PlayOnLinux

    Quote Originally Posted by MG&TL View Post
    Great tutorial, I shall have a look. Although to be honest, there's so much on Linux now that it seems very difficult to justify Wine/frontends.
    Thanks, TL. In the main, that is true these days. But some people have requirements for work. In my case, I use Quicken to manage my books and I haven't (yet) found a suitable Linux replacement.
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    Re: Wine too confusing? Howto: PlayOnLinux

    A mod should sticky this thread.
    It's quite useful for PlayOnLinux novices.
    Last edited by PCaddicted; August 18th, 2011 at 08:32 PM.

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    Re: Wine too confusing? Howto: PlayOnLinux

    Arr, me Hearties! Wine be garbage. I'll buy Windows emulation when I can run iTunes, and stream Netflix movies...and not a moment before. Shiver me timbers!
    Last edited by alkh3myst; March 3rd, 2012 at 04:14 PM. Reason: Abysmal punctuation.

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