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    Can Ubuntu ever be as stable as hardware tailored OS:s?

    Not so long ago I bought an Aspire Timeline and installed Ubuntu alongside Windows. With some effort. Still, almost a year later there are some (non-critical) glitches. Additionally, updating the system can once in a while cause unstable behavior.

    The other day I took a small media computer with Ubuntu Server that I haven't really put to use to my brother so he could use it with his tv. Went on installing the gui etc. The Os was a couple of releases old, so I ran a sequence of upgrades. Ended up with Ubuntu not being bootable except for in terminal mode. I can probably solve it given some time that I don't have. Meanwhile I have to justify why I don't just put Windows on it (It would put me off using it as a server if nothing else).

    Such glitches I've come to tolerate somewhat. I can see how it puts off newcomers. I think they are if not _the_ reason for (ordinary) people not choosing Ubuntu at least in top five.

    The overall reason for these glitches as I understand it: Hardware diversity and Ubuntu having to fit inside everything, while competitors have the advantage of tailoring the OS as it is deployed. I wonder if Ubuntu will ever be 'competitive' in the 'one size fits all' - business? I'm not saying that you can't have both worlds but if Ubuntu is to 'compete' doesn't tailored devices have to become flagships? Can non-tailored ever be as stable as tailored?

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    Re: Can Ubuntu ever be as stable as hardware tailored OS:s?

    Perhaps you remember when Microsoft brought out its media center edition of Windows and it refused to allow it to be sold over the counter. You could only obtain it pre-installed on a machine. For the same reasons as you mention.

    In the past I read time and again that Linux was difficult to install, that a person needed some experience to get the system up and running. Canonical has tried to remove that difficulty. I think that it is doing well in this regard. I see Unity as another step along the road. From the help requests I see on these forums, I conclude that a lot if problems are caused by people trying to do something that they do not fully understand or with hardware that is not capable. So, I am happy that in Unity it is no possible to remove the notification area even though this makes it difficult to add user chosen notifications.

    I agree that ordinary people want a device that works and I agree that having the OS pre-installed by the supplier is the best way of meeting the needs of ordinary people.

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    Re: Can Ubuntu ever be as stable as hardware tailored OS:s?

    heck put System76. Ubuntu comes pre-installed and 100% working. When a new version comes out, they (syy76 staff) test new version and tell you when and how to upgrade and/or what bugs/issues you can experience.

    So yes, Ubuntu can be as stable as hardware tailored OS.

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    Re: Can Ubuntu ever be as stable as hardware tailored OS:s?

    Ubuntu or linux in general is just operating system. Hardware problems are driver-related - that's completely diffrent thing. Secondary, I can say that Apple OS is perfectly suited for their harware - all other PC operating systems have and will have HW problems. If You think that Windows have no problems with HW then You're just wrong - milions of problems are reported.

    And finally: not everyone have to be computer specialist - many peoples have problems because they just don't know PC technology, software etc - they should just ask for support (possibly paid service).

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    Re: Can Ubuntu ever be as stable as hardware tailored OS:s?

    I haven't had a problem installing Ubuntu. In fact, I prefer to install my own OS. It gives me freedom from Microsoft and being locked into Windows.

    Ubuntu users think Canonical is repeating Microsoft's mistake by forcing them to use Unity beginning with Oneiric Ocelot, whether they want it or not. I can understand a take or leave it interface; that's what Windows comes with and so does Apple with Mac OSX but to Ubuntu users it comes as a completely new experience.

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    Re: Can Ubuntu ever be as stable as hardware tailored OS:s?

    Quote Originally Posted by tomazzi View Post
    Ubuntu or linux in general is just operating system. Hardware problems are driver-related - [...]
    I'd disagree there. Gentoo for example is compiled to work on a specific set of hardware - there's more to hardware than just generic drivers and prepackaged kernels to run on them.

    Ubuntu mostly installs generic packages like any other regular operating systems. To make it truly stable on the hardware it's running on, it should be compiled from source like Gentoo is or Canonical providing customized bits for every hardware, which is pretty much impossible given the diversity.

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    Re: Can Ubuntu ever be as stable as hardware tailored OS:s?

    Quote Originally Posted by worldsayshi View Post
    Not so long ago I bought an Aspire Timeline and installed Ubuntu alongside Windows. With some effort. Still, almost a year later there are some (non-critical) glitches. Additionally, updating the system can once in a while cause unstable behavior.

    The other day I took a small media computer with Ubuntu Server that I haven't really put to use to my brother so he could use it with his tv. Went on installing the gui etc. The Os was a couple of releases old, so I ran a sequence of upgrades. Ended up with Ubuntu not being bootable except for in terminal mode. I can probably solve it given some time that I don't have. Meanwhile I have to justify why I don't just put Windows on it (It would put me off using it as a server if nothing else).

    Such glitches I've come to tolerate somewhat. I can see how it puts off newcomers. I think they are if not _the_ reason for (ordinary) people not choosing Ubuntu at least in top five.

    The overall reason for these glitches as I understand it: Hardware diversity and Ubuntu having to fit inside everything, while competitors have the advantage of tailoring the OS as it is deployed. I wonder if Ubuntu will ever be 'competitive' in the 'one size fits all' - business? I'm not saying that you can't have both worlds but if Ubuntu is to 'compete' doesn't tailored devices have to become flagships? Can non-tailored ever be as stable as tailored?
    a better question might be:

    "is a os that is never upgraded be as one that is constantly upgraded"

    I have been running the same mythbox now for 6 years.. I don't upgrade it, I don't need to.. it just works.

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    Re: Can Ubuntu ever be as stable as hardware tailored OS:s?

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanFLinux View Post
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    Ubuntu users think Canonical is repeating Microsoft's mistake by forcing them to use Unity beginning with Oneiric Ocelot, whether they want it or not. I can understand a take or leave it interface; that's what Windows comes with and so does Apple with Mac OSX but to Ubuntu users it comes as a completely new experience.
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
    sudo apt-get install xfce4
    sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
    Ubuntu is so damned restrictive ...

    ....

    An upgrade of windows cause a lot of problems. Remember that windows doesn't come with drivers, you rely on the manufacturer to supply new drivers for the new version. One of the main problems with Vista was that manufacturers refused to make drivers for hardware that they no longer sell, so if you wanted a stable Vista, you probably had to buy a new machine.

    If you want good hardware support for Linux, you have to either do a lot of research before buying or get a machine from someone like System76 or ZaReason.

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    Re: Can Ubuntu ever be as stable as hardware tailored OS:s?

    Given the level of hardware vendor support compared to MS windows, I think the Linux devs do a remarkable job of providing a stable operating system.

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    Re: Can Ubuntu ever be as stable as hardware tailored OS:s?

    Believe it or not, some users find Windows incredibly unstable.

    I agree that the "progress" releases of Ubuntu (like 11.04) can be a little unpolished. I recommend 10.04 Long-Term-Support if you are a stability-minded individual. Especially for a server; there is not much reason to have the "latest and greatest" in that case.

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