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    KDE and Compiz, systemsettings and simple-ccsm

    I was trying to figure out why under the KDE system settings, when I go under Default Applications > Window Manager, select Compiz, and press the Configure button, I get the error message "Running the configuration tool failed." I tracked it down to the file /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksmserver/windowmanagers/compiz.desktop. In there is where the Compiz configure tool is set to "simple-ccsm".

    Not only do I only have ccsm installed, I imagine most people do. I've never heard of this simple-ccsm tool, and it's not a suggested package of either the kdebase-runtime-data or the compiz package. Should it be changed to use ccsm instead (or at very least suggest the simple-ccsm package)?

    Also, I can't even install simple-ccsm. I get the error:

    Code:
    $ sudo apt-get install simple-ccsm
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
    requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
    distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
    or been moved out of Incoming.
    The following information may help to resolve the situation:
    
    The following packages have unmet dependencies:
     simple-ccsm : Depends: python-compizconfig (>= 0.8.2) but it is not going to be installed
                   Depends: compizconfig-settings-manager (>= 0.8.2) but it is not going to be installed
    E: Broken packages
    But I have both of those packages already installed:

    Code:
    $ dpkg -l compizconfig-settings-manager python-compizconfig
    Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
    | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
    |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
    ||/ Name              Version           Description
    +++-=================-=================-==================================================
    ii  compizconfig-sett 0.9.4-0ubuntu2    Compiz configuration settings manager
    ii  python-compizconf 0.9.4-0ubuntu1    Compizconfig bindings for python
    Any ideas what the real problem could be?

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    Re: KDE and Compiz, systemsettings and simple-ccsm

    Don't use kubuntu so can't be too helpful
    There is no currently compatible simple-ccsm so it's likely a mistake it's being set in the configure.
    You may want to file a bug on. or edit the file to ccsm, or wait a bit, - you should be able to open (configure) compiz by running ccsm however one does so in kubuntu

    I seriously doubt natty will ship with ccsm, though I'd think they'd need to provide some limited means to access some plugins (unityshell for instance

    Also based on the last changelog for compiz it would seem a new simple-ccsm will happen at some point


    compiz (1:0.9.4-0ubuntu7) natty; urgency=low

    * debian/control:
    - breaks on old simple-ccsm until a new one for 0.9 is available

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    Re: KDE and Compiz, systemsettings and simple-ccsm

    sudo apt-get install simple-ccsm
    Code:
    If you are using KDE,use kdesu instead of sudo.
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    Re: KDE and Compiz, systemsettings and simple-ccsm

    No, running kdesu isn't needed when running a terminal program and wouldn't help here.

    As for when we'll get a new simple-ccsm, probably not until next cycle (11.10). I haven't seen anyone working on it and it's apparently rather low priority for the unity team right now or more likely not even on their radar. Patches welcome though.
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    Re: KDE and Compiz, systemsettings and simple-ccsm

    Quote Originally Posted by mc4man View Post
    Don't use kubuntu so can't be too helpful
    There is no currently compatible simple-ccsm so it's likely a mistake it's being set in the configure.
    You may want to file a bug on. or edit the file to ccsm, or wait a bit, - you should be able to open (configure) compiz by running ccsm however one does so in kubuntu
    Yeah, I can run it fine from the command line or from the application launcher. This is more of a loose end that I feel merits addressing. It just feels odd that a required package (for kubuntu) doesn't use the setting manager "suggested" by the compiz package, but rather one that I had never heard of. I'll file a bug report/request about this.

    I seriously doubt natty will ship with ccsm, though I'd think they'd need to provide some limited means to access some plugins (unityshell for instance
    Why wouldn't natty ship with compiz? Does unity use a different window manager by default? (I lose track of all the changes.)

    Also based on the last changelog for compiz it would seem a new simple-ccsm will happen at some point
    Thanks for pointing that changelog out. I'm still confused how apt is figuring out there is a problem and why the error message isn't helpful. I thought the dependencies were all that mattered. (dpkg apparently gets further, but still encounters errors.)

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    Re: KDE and Compiz, systemsettings and simple-ccsm

    Quote Originally Posted by afoglia View Post
    Why wouldn't natty ship with compiz? Does unity use a different window manager by default? (I lose track of all the changes.)
    ccsm is compiz settings manager, not to be confused with compiz itself.


    Quote Originally Posted by afoglia View Post
    Thanks for pointing that changelog out. I'm still confused how apt is figuring out there is a problem and why the error message isn't helpful. I thought the dependencies were all that mattered. (dpkg apparently gets further, but still encounters errors.)
    What errors messages. Try using
    Code:
    sudo apt-get -f install
    ,to fix any errors.
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    Re: KDE and Compiz, systemsettings and simple-ccsm

    Why wouldn't natty ship with compiz? Does unity use a different window manager by default? (I lose track of all the changes.)
    What I was referring to was ccsm (compizconfig-settings-manager

    The reason I can't see it as part of the default install is there are some plugins and settings of them that can seriously impact an install, even make it somewhat unusable.

    I can't see ubuntu ever providing this opportunity to users
    (they don't even enable the relatively innocuous File Management by default

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    Re: KDE and Compiz, systemsettings and simple-ccsm

    Quote Originally Posted by VMC View Post
    ccsm is compiz settings manager, not to be confused with compiz itself.


    What errors messages. Try using
    Code:
    sudo apt-get -f install
    ,to fix any errors.
    Well, it just says there are errors, but not with any detail.

    Code:
    $ sudo dpkg -i simple-ccsm_0.8.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb 
    [sudo] password for afoglia: 
    Selecting previously deselected package simple-ccsm.
    (Reading database ... 449687 files and directories currently installed.)
    Unpacking simple-ccsm (from simple-ccsm_0.8.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb) ...
    dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of simple-ccsm:
     compiz-core (1:0.9.4-0ubuntu7) breaks simple-ccsm (<< 0.9) and is installed.
      Version of simple-ccsm to be configured is 0.8.2-0ubuntu1.
    dpkg: error processing simple-ccsm (--install):
     dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
    Processing triggers for bamfdaemon ...
    Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index...
    Processing triggers for python-gmenu ...
    Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/desktop.en_US.utf8.cache...
    Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
    Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...
    Processing triggers for python-support ...
    Errors were encountered while processing:
     simple-ccsm
    With "-D 77777", the relevant messages are:

    Code:
    D000040:     checking Breaks
    D000400:       checking breaker compiz-core virtbroken <none>
    dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of simple-ccsm:
     compiz-core (1:0.9.4-0ubuntu7) breaks simple-ccsm (<< 0.9) and is installed.
      Version of simple-ccsm to be configured is 0.8.2-0ubuntu1.
    dpkg: error processing simple-ccsm (--install):
     dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
    D010000: trigproc_run_deferred
    But there's a bug in the simple-ccsm package someone filed on Friday for this issue, and I don't even care to install simple-ccsm, so I won't bother going any deeper.

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    Re: KDE and Compiz, systemsettings and simple-ccsm

    I would advise you to use kwin for desktop effects.

    Kwin desktop composition can be accessed in system settings, desktop effects.

    Technically, compiz and KDE 4 do exactly mix properly. It does "work" but there are glitches and conflicts with KDE's processes.

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