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    Question Bootable USB pen drive troubles (yes, I searched!)

    Morning all, first post here, so be gentle

    I'm looking to migrate from WinXPsp3 to a Linux distro; i've done a little homework obviously (why I'm here, lol), and decided to see what all the hype was about; I therefore downloaded both the ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso distribution, along with the Universal USB installer, so as to burn the distributions to a bootable CD.

    Well, no joy there, the drive didn't see the disk I made as bootable, so, given that the drive's four years old, figured, "ho hum, obviously on the way out", and tried a bootable USB pen drive instead. No joy. I got an error message, instead:

    No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found
    Boot:
    So, I guessed that it was a problem with the most recent distribution, went back and downloaded ubuntu-10.04.1-desktop-i386.iso, and repeated the pen Drive process. Same result, and the very same error message.

    By now, this was, as you might imagine for a neophyte 46 year old non-technical twit, beginning to grate, so I had a look on here, found that there were problems with the Universal USB installer on recent distributions, and went for the alternative that was suggested, unabootin, to create the bootable USB pen drive...

    Yep, you can see where this is going, can't you?

    I got the self same error message. Confused and frustrated? You bet I am.

    I can only assume that something's gone a tad, shall we say, fubar, in creating the bootable bits.

    Question is, how the heck can this be fixed?

    Thanks in advance for any and all assistance in this hair-thinning exercise

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    Re: Bootable USB pen drive troubles (yes, I searched!)

    Hello!

    You should take a look at this page for making a bootable Ubuntu USB drive: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...n/FromUSBStick

    Scroll down to the "From Windows" section if you are using Windows. Try following those instructions. Follow the instructions in the "Booting the Computer from USB" section after that and let me know how it goes.

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    Re: Bootable USB pen drive troubles (yes, I searched!)

    1)When making a disk you need to "burn an iso". That is a special operation which will fully create a Linux bootable disk. If you are "making the disk bootable" you are doing something wrong. Have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto

    2) When you run the disk you need to change the BIOS/Boot Order so that the computer will boot from the disk before the Hard Drive. Similarly when you run the USB stick you need to change the BIOS/Boot Order so that the computer will boot from USB before the Hard Drive.

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    Re: Bootable USB pen drive troubles (yes, I searched!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Temposs View Post
    Hello!

    You should take a look at this page for making a bootable Ubuntu USB drive: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...n/FromUSBStick

    Scroll down to the "From Windows" section if you are using Windows. Try following those instructions. Follow the instructions in the "Booting the Computer from USB" section after that and let me know how it goes.

    I think once you do this you will have a great experience with Ubuntu.
    OK, thanks - I'll have a look and give it a try

    Quote Originally Posted by arochester View Post
    1)When making a disk you need to "burn an iso". That is a special operation which will fully create a Linux bootable disk. If you are "making the disk bootable" you are doing something wrong. Have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto

    2) When you run the disk you need to change the BIOS/Boot Order so that the computer will boot from the disk before the Hard Drive. Similarly when you run the USB stick you need to change the BIOS/Boot Order so that the computer will boot from USB before the Hard Drive.
    Sorry, poor choice of words in my first post. I did indeed burn the ISO, but for some reason or other, the machine here failed to recognise it as a bootable CD. Hence the USB route.

    Regarding booting sequences, the KT4 Ultra motherboard I've got in my machine (which built from the ground up by a friend a few years back, not shop-bought) has a BIOS feature that allows temporary suspension of the normal boot order (F11 on start-up/reboot), allowing you to select a one-off boot order. Despite this, it's failing to recognise the CD ROM that was burnt from the ISO as a boot disk, and proceeds to boot under windoze

    The problem is now that the USB pen Drive is not running correctly; I believe that there's a problem with the bootability (for want of a better phrase) of the drive in the write process under both the Universal USB installer and unabootin.

    I'll have a look and try the first suggestion above from Temposs, and get back to you all.

    Thanks for the replies

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    Re: Bootable USB pen drive troubles (yes, I searched!)

    Temposs -

    OK, I think I know why the CD-ROM didn't work. It's unreadable. That's probably down to my somewhat rubbish CD/RW drive. No real surprises there, it's been giving me grief for a while. ho hum.

    So, I extracted usb-creator.exe from the USB pen drive, which is, at least, readable, if not bootable, lol

    I tried the process you suggested I follow, but it fell at the first hurdle, in that usb-creator.exe is not allowing either ISO selection I downloaded. It's recognising the pen drive, but not the ISOs.

    Any ideas would be welcome, cause I'm totally stymied now

    PS - the alternative package that's suggested in the article, Unetbootin, was one of the previous ports of call for creating the bootable USB drive, and that failed too
    Last edited by RogerStenning; November 4th, 2010 at 11:17 AM.

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    Re: Bootable USB pen drive troubles (yes, I searched!)

    Quote Originally Posted by RogerStenning View Post
    I tried the process you suggested I follow, but it fell at the first hurdle, in that usb-creator.exe is not allowing either ISO selection I downloaded. It's recognising the pen drive, but not the ISOs.
    what do you mean it's not recognising the ISO. you got the programme here: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/

    You told it which ISO to you (gave it a path to that ISO file) and it's not recognising it?

    also did you check the md5sum on iso if the ISO downloaded correctly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mastablasta View Post
    what do you mean it's not recognising the ISO. you got the programme here: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
    I got usb-creator.exe from the pen drive copy, the CD that was burnt being completely unreadable. The article (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...n/FromUSBStick) suggested either reading that from the CD, or extracting it from the ISO using yet another package. It seemed easier - and faster - to extract it from the pen drive instead. I'll try the link you suggest instead, though frankly at this point, I don't hold out much hope of a successful resolution.

    You told it which ISO to you (gave it a path to that ISO file) and it's not recognising it?
    Yes, that's it exactly. It's not recognising the path to the ISO, which I find astounding, given that it's on the desktop. It's seeing the USB pen Drive, though. Fat lot of good that is, of course, since it's not seeing the ISOs (either of them)

    also did you check the md5sum on iso if the ISO downloaded correctly?
    I wouldn't know an MD5 from a hole in the ground, mate. I'm a bus driver, not a techie The ISOs were both downloaded from the download page on the Ubuntu website at http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download if that helps at all.

    I'll report back shortly, after I've tried again.

    Roger
    Last edited by RogerStenning; November 4th, 2010 at 12:00 PM. Reason: certain words were slightly naughty!

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    Re: Bootable USB pen drive troubles (yes, I searched!)

    Right, partial success. LiveLinux is now on the stick, and while it failed to boot (the same error occurred, as expected), at least it'll run under windoze, although it's HORRIBLY slow like this. Took TEN MINUTES to load and run up.

    Can't say as I've very impressed, thus far.

    Thanks for the help, anyhow, folks. It's appreciated.

    ...A few minutes later...

    Right, update time. Having wandered around the livelinux screen for a few minutes, the interface, once loaded, was fast enough; firefox loaded in seconds, which was agreeably nice, and while it hasn't got flash installed in it (which probably explains the swift loading!), it does at least give me an idea of what it's capable of to a very limited degree. The acid test will be to get the thing booted into Linux from the get go, and see what happens...

    Ideas on the above would be most welcome, by the way. Frankly, that's got me totally stumped. From what I can see, there's no reason whatsoever that it should fail to boot from the USB drive, yet there we are, stuffed beyond reason in that department.

    Anyhow, partial success, for which many thanks all
    Last edited by RogerStenning; November 4th, 2010 at 01:21 PM. Reason: update

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    Re: Bootable USB pen drive troubles (yes, I searched!)

    Quote Originally Posted by RogerStenning View Post
    Yes, that's it exactly. It's not recognising the path to the ISO, which I find astounding, given that it's on the desktop. It's seeing the USB pen Drive, though. Fat lot of good that is, of course, since it's not seeing the ISOs (either of them)
    strange. but maybe yoou have some antivirus preventing it to work porpperly or somehting.

    i used Unetbootin. i downloaded the iso via torrent (as it is less likely to be corrupted on download. i downloaded it to my download folder (not desktop) and i also put unetbooting in the same folder. it found the iso file automaticly i believe.

    it should be quite easy and all these USB boot creators are quite good and should work with no issues. i do think you must have done something wrong or have a strange/security setting on your computer. but, sorry i can't pinpoint exactly what is wrong to help you.


    I wouldn't know an MD5 from a hole in the ground, mate. I'm a bus driver, not a techie The ISOs were both downloaded from the download page on the Ubuntu website at http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download if that helps at all.
    More on md5sum:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM

    During download there could be small errors that occur withouth us noticing it. usually some movie or something will work fine but for OS they can be fatal. now all ISO files on server have a certain "code" and you can find the numbers and letters of that code on ubuntu site.

    after you download the iso and check this md5sum the numbers and letters that you get have to be exactly (!) the same. otherwise there was an error in download. you can i think also check your bootable USB like that to see if everything was put on it.


    if you are still having problem and you are not in a hurry you can always order a FREE CD from Ubuntu. yes, it's totally free. only it will take some time for them to ship it to you (5-7 weeks i believe).
    https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

    you are going after desktop version ofcourse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerStenning View Post
    Right, update time. Having wandered around the livelinux screen for a few minutes, the interface, once loaded, was fast enough; firefox loaded in seconds, which was agreeably nice, and while it hasn't got flash installed in it (which probably explains the swift loading!),
    nope firefox is indeed much faster in linux then windows and even with flash available it will pop up in almost no time.

    for even faster access you could later install chromium.
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