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    Organizational Proposal submitted by JWDinKC

    I received these two emails via Launchpad as I would assume any of you reading this have as well. I've re-posted them here in order to respond to them in a way that everyone can partake of the discussion. I feel this communication channel is more effective within the group than a series of un-threaded or unrelated emails.

    Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:20 PM from JWDinKC <spitfirestraywolf@yahoo.com>:

    I propose the we identify one or a few points of focus. I've always
    been a good salesman at heart. There's nothing more inspiring than a
    product one can believe in. Ubuntu is that and more. If its not
    against the GNU/GPL license I think we should aid each other in
    proliferating Ubuntu. If we should do installs, set up, and maintenance
    I do believe it's OK to charge for our time. We could support each
    other in this endeavor for one. So, I guess that point of focus would
    be proliferation. At least on an individual level. If the expertise of
    the group requires industrial/commercial accounts - maybe us salesmen
    could contribute to your cause,,,which may be on a whole other scale of
    proliferation from what I'm talking about. Anyway, aside from
    proliferation does anyone else have any focus points to consider? Once
    we identify these maybe we can map out whether they interrelate and are
    in the purview of Locoteams etc...

    p.s. I'm in KCMO. How about you?

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    Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:12 PM from JWDinKC <spitfirestraywolf@yahoo.com>:

    So far I've gotten a reply from six out of one hundred and six members.
    I'm going to add each of you to my contact list in my e-mail client as
    you reply. On Friday (10.22.10) I'll consider those in my list to be
    willing and active participants for now. Once we get an active head
    count we should be able to start rolling out ideas. Sound good? I
    don't want to step on anyones toes here.

    Believe it or not, I have one whole paragraph of a letter/forum post that I've been trying to formulate (as a Tomboy Note) that is in the same vein as what you're saying here. Really, I do. It's been there for over a month. I have thoughts on these matters, but have been struggling with how to say them in a constructive, cohesive way. I've also been a little apprehensive to "start something" because presently my young family and responsibilities have kept me from contributing in a way that I can participate to the extent that I would choose. So there it is, I want to run with the big dogs, but can't get off the porch, oh and I like to bark a lot. It sounds like you have the charisma and the drive to rally the group. I think this is excellent. Here's some of what I have to say. It may sound negative, but that is not my intention. Take my criticisms lightly, I'm not attacking anyone. You've encouraged me to blurt this out...

    I agree completely with picking a target for our zeal. We all want to be involved in the Ubuntu movement at a local level. The LoCo needs a reason to exist more than "Hi. I like Ubuntu too". I feel this lack of a mission is part of the reason the group has remained stagnant. Of course everyone is busy with their jobs, school, family, this is a given. Another reason maybe be the wide distance over which we are spread. I don't completely agree with MLM68's subsequent email:

    im glad to c some new blood in the group just due a shout to the mebers
    list or u can email me directly and ill try to get back to u or someone
    will its been kind of quiet but they due respond i found out just a
    little slow but i know there busy in rl like we should be i want a BBQ
    sometyime or a christmas party i think would be neat if we could work
    something out i know most are in kc area
    Is this true? Are MOST of the Ubuntu Missouri members in KC? I fail to prove him wrong, the map at http://www.flippinsweetdude.com/maps/index.php has been taken down. I know there were covens in Springfield, Columbia, and St. Louis, not to mention the rest of us lonely souls spread throughout the "backwoods" portions of the state. I'm not saying that you should bring the meetings to me in Park Hills, but if you're going to hold flesh and blood meetings in KC all the time then call it what it is: The Kansas City Missouri Local Community Team. I'm OK with that, but I wouldn't have bothered to join the KC LoCo knowing that there is no way I was ever going to be a part of the group. Please do not alienate everyone else in the group based on their location. There can still be some kind of peripheral movement that will involve those not fortunate enough to live in close proximity to other Ubuntu zealots. Have the Christmas party, just please don't collapse all MOLoCo business down to one geographic region. It would prove self defeating.

    The Open Source business models do allow for money to change hands for services and software covered by the GPL, in fact I believe that's the point of a business model. I have never seen anything to say that the LoCo cannot profit from such ventures. I would rely on our benevolent LoCo Administrators for clarification and guidance on this. Matthew, Joe, Kent, one or all have already researched what it takes to be a LoCo. As long as your goal is to raise funds for the purposes of forwarding the goals of the group (which is to raise funds for the purposes of forwarding the goals...) I think this is necessary. Either that, or one of us is going to have to marry into money. If you want to do this for personal profit then I think the LoCo will be a good place for you to network with business partners and clients as well as gain leads, but it is not the place to try to start a business.

    Several things seem promising as opportunities to raise capital and visibility for the group. Mythbuntu home media server/DVR construction and sales (or similar). Asterix based phone systems/voice response units, OpenBravo or LemonPOS Point of Sale "cash register" implementations (especially for small businesses). Education, seminars, such as how to use Open Office; Gimp image editor for photo manipulation, Pitivi for video editing, Audacity or Jokosher (someday) for podcasting or home recording, Scribus for desktop publishing. (I need not list anymore, you all know them by heart.) You don't have to hold a degree or a certificate, you just have to be adept and be able to explain it to other people. Many of these programs are available cross platform, which means that you can draw people in for a specific application to learn to do a specific task that they want to accomplish on their Windows PC. They'll pay you because it doesn't cost a lot for that, and the program is free. You might even sell them a DVD to take home for future reference. While you've got them there (and they start asking if you can help them get the Botnet on their laptop to stop stealing their bandwidth) you can show them other Open Source applications, maybe even Ubuntu or Linux Mint. The seminar concept is at least one that will require the minimum amount of collateral albeit requiring a fair amount of time. Time to script, plan, prepare, advertise, and speak at the engagement. This might provide money for the purchase of demo hardware or proof of concept setups. What about building professional grade head mouse/head tracking rigs for people with physical disabilities using Dasher, Ubuntu, and a commodity Wii controller? Others are working on this right now, http://www.neatorama.com/2009/02/05/...sabled-people/ and if we can build and sell a rig that will do the job of a $1000 commercial unit for less than that, you'd be providing a service and a product.

    This is trickle up, not trickle down, propagation. Let these empowered people take their new found skills and programs and share them with their co-workers, friends, family, and church groups. Instead of evangelizing about how great Open Source is and getting blank stares and opposition, simply show them how to make "it" do what they want "it" to do, using Ubuntu and Open Source tools.

    OK. So I rolled out a few ideas before roll was called. I might have gotten a little ahead of things there, but it felt good to post this and get it "out there". I can't wait to see what other opinions there are on these things. I posted this here in the hopes of it becoming a full fledged discussion. Don't forget to cross post links to the Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/g...gid=4101034122(Kent, you still haven't added the logo to the Facebook group‽ It's our colors Spr0k3t, we gotta fly the colors!) and I know you said you're a natural born salesman and creating artificial urgency through arbitrary deadlines might be second nature, but giving 100 people less than 18 hours in the middle of the night to respond to an email might be pushing a little hard. It's been pretty slow in here, it might take people a while to realize that there's movement in the club house. Hopefully the the 5 day deadline Friday will turn up a few more results.
    -Aaron
    Last edited by wyrless2002; October 20th, 2010 at 07:19 PM. Reason: Because at 2 am I couldn't get the Facebook link right. fixed.

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    Re: Organizational Proposal submitted by JWDinKC

    You know, I can tell that you feel really strong about this and I love it. You threw out a lot of great ideas, but where do we start, should we divide out into teams, that work on small projects, or should we all try to tackle one big project and report our progress in at points, either way, planning is required. AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD A FACEBOOK PAGE! AWESOME. As far as conferencing and getting together, one of my favorite cross platform apps is Skype, which allows for voice or video conferencing, with addons for showing presentations.

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    Re: Organizational Proposal submitted by JWDinKC

    I found some energy moving this LoCo ahead. That is great!! You want to organize and coordinate? who does that? I am disabled (sort of) and semi-retired with 12-18 hours per day in front of the computer and I have plenty of time. Where can I be of use? How can I contribute?
    I started in the Navy in 197? before we had a personal computer in electronics and sonar on a missle submarine. I then went on to get my first A.S. degree in Electronics when transistors were a option we might need to fix portable Japanese radios. After a variety of jobs I then created a BBS system until the big push was on to get on the Internet. I am slowly (very slowly) starting to learn programming and finding as a lifetime learner that Ubuntu is a great fit with thousands of free open source programs to learn and explore.
    I am here, usually logged in or at least checking email every day (I will now!) so write back and don't lose your great energy!
    We have several different means of communication and several different forums of one type or another and I would like to see a continuation of this thread here since it is easier and more logical from several different perspectives.
    Stay in touch and keep me informed as how I can contribute. Windwalker

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    Re: Organizational Proposal submitted by JWDinKC

    I agree completely with picking a target for our zeal. We all want to be involved in the Ubuntu movement at a local level. The LoCo needs a reason to exist more than "Hi. I like Ubuntu too". I feel this lack of a mission is part of the reason the group has remained stagnant. Of course everyone is busy with their jobs, school, family, this is a given. Another reason maybe be the wide distance over which we are spread. I don't completely agree with MLM68's subsequent email:



    Is this true? Are MOST of the Ubuntu Missouri members in KC? I fail to prove him wrong, the map at http://www.flippinsweetdude.com/maps/index.php has been taken down. I know there were covens in Springfield, Columbia, and St. Louis, not to mention the rest of us lonely souls spread throughout the "backwoods" portions of the state. I'm not saying that you should bring the meetings to me in Park Hills, but if you're going to hold flesh and blood meetings in KC all the time then call it what it is: The Kansas City Missouri Local Community Team. I'm OK with that, but I wouldn't have bothered to join the KC LoCo knowing that there is no way I was ever going to be a part of the group. Please do not alienate everyone else in the group based on their location. There can still be some kind of peripheral movement that will involve those not fortunate enough to live in close proximity to other Ubuntu zealots. Have the Christmas party, just please don't collapse all MOLoCo business down to one geographic region. It would prove self defeating.

    The Open Source business models do allow for money to change hands for services and software covered by the GPL, in fact I believe that's the point of a business model. I have never seen anything to say that the LoCo cannot profit from such ventures. I would rely on our benevolent LoCo Administrators for clarification and guidance on this. Matthew, Joe, Kent, one or all have already researched what it takes to be a LoCo. As long as your goal is to raise funds for the purposes of forwarding the goals of the group (which is to raise funds for the purposes of forwarding the goals...) I think this is necessary. Either that, or one of us is going to have to marry into money. If you want to do this for personal profit then I think the LoCo will be a good place for you to network with business partners and clients as well as gain leads, but it is not the place to try to start a business.

    Several things seem promising as opportunities to raise capital and visibility for the group. Mythbuntu home media server/DVR construction and sales (or similar). Asterix based phone systems/voice response units, OpenBravo or LemonPOS Point of Sale "cash register" implementations (especially for small businesses). Education, seminars, such as how to use Open Office; Gimp image editor for photo manipulation, Pitivi for video editing, Audacity or Jokosher (someday) for podcasting or home recording, Scribus for desktop publishing. (I need not list anymore, you all know them by heart.) You don't have to hold a degree or a certificate, you just have to be adept and be able to explain it to other people. Many of these programs are available cross platform, which means that you can draw people in for a specific application to learn to do a specific task that they want to accomplish on their Windows PC. They'll pay you because it doesn't cost a lot for that, and the program is free. You might even sell them a DVD to take home for future reference. While you've got them there (and they start asking if you can help them get the Botnet on their laptop to stop stealing their bandwidth) you can show them other Open Source applications, maybe even Ubuntu or Linux Mint. The seminar concept is at least one that will require the minimum amount of collateral albeit requiring a fair amount of time. Time to script, plan, prepare, advertise, and speak at the engagement. This might provide money for the purchase of demo hardware or proof of concept setups. What about building professional grade head mouse/head tracking rigs for people with physical disabilities using Dasher, Ubuntu, and a commodity Wii controller? Others are working on this right now, http://www.neatorama.com/2009/02/05/...sabled-people/ and if we can build and sell a rig that will do the job of a $1000 commercial unit for less than that, you'd be providing a service and a product.

    This is trickle up, not trickle down, propagation. Let these empowered people take their new found skills and programs and share them with their co-workers, friends, family, and church groups. Instead of evangelizing about how great Open Source is and getting blank stares and opposition, simply show them how to make "it" do what they want "it" to do, using Ubuntu and Open Source tools.

    OK. So I rolled out a few ideas before roll was called. I might have gotten a little ahead of things there, but it felt good to post this and get it "out there". I can't wait to see what other opinions there are on these things. I posted this here in the hopes of it becoming a full fledged discussion. Don't forget to cross post links to the Facebook page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MissouriTeam (Kent, you still haven't added the logo to the Facebook group‽ It's our colors Spr0k3t, we gotta fly the colors!) and I know you said you're a natural born salesman and creating artificial urgency through arbitrary deadlines might be second nature, but giving 100 people less than 18 hours in the middle of the night to respond to an email might be pushing a little hard. It's been pretty slow in here, it might take people a while to realize that there's movement in the club house. Hopefully the the 5 day deadline Friday will turn up a few more results.
    -Aaron[/QUOTE]
    when i wrote the email i didnt mean to upset everyone i know plp are busy and i didnt think it would be taken so badlly so far the most plp i did talk to when i posted a hi to the group were from the kc area i know there all over the state just the most active plp i saw were in the kc area i might not know alot about the workings of linux in general but i really due think its a better alt than most software i cant program or stuff like that but i sure due try to run it its nice to c more plp going active on the email list i know knowone has anything to prove or i hope they reallize they dont because i dont and i didnt even know about the facebook page please post the info so i can link to it myself if u want im sorry this might be typed with spelling mistakes or to many im abrevartions
    if anyone wants to talk to me privately heres my addy mikebugman1968@gmail.com and if you all feel like i dont fit here let me know

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    Re: Organizational Proposal submitted by JWDinKC

    Mike, I'm not upset. You may be right, there may be more in KC. I did say I didn't agree, but I can't dispute it. This was about getting people to speak up and agree or disagree.

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    Re: Organizational Proposal submitted by JWDinKC

    Quote Originally Posted by wyrless2002 View Post
    Mike, I'm not upset. You may be right, there may be more in KC. I did say I didn't agree, but I can't dispute it. This was about getting people to speak up and agree or disagree.
    I'm much closer to Saint Louis then I am to Kansas City, and it's still a 1.5 hour drive. With the size of Missouri I could see groups in Kansas City, Saint Louis, Columbia and Springfield all sub-loco groups with annual or bi-annual meetups for everyone who can attend...but that's just my thoughts.

    Our office has a conference room that can hold 15 people and there is a projector...but Fulton is about 2 hours from Kansas City.

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    Re: Organizational Proposal submitted by JWDinKC

    See here we all were, like a sleeper cell, waiting to be activated.

    Please don't misunderstand, I'm not taking center stage here. This latest burst of energy was instigated by JWDinKC, I just posted his efforts here. I think the discussion is easier to follow this way. This might actually be a conversation, in and of itself; Do we have officers in the group? Joe Brouhard, Matthew Copple, and Spr0k3t a.k.a.- Kent Seaton are Admins. therefore I see them as de facto leaders of the group. That typically also means that they are already investing time and energy, and everyone will tend to dump the decisions and problems back on them. I am hoping to see their comments here.

    It might be a good thing for the regions to try to meet separately. I guess it feels like if KC is meeting and I'm not there that I'm not being included, but I know individually that I wouldn't be able to make some of the meetings anyway; At least the active members would be acting, and there will be a group for me to participate with when I have the opportunity. If this happens, I'd like to see each splinter cell post their activities though, making the MOLoCo and associated forums and pages more like a Council than the group itself, e.g. MOLoCo - Springfield, MOLoCo - KC, MOLoCo - Columbia, C.S.I. - Las Vegas, C.S.I. - Miami.

    I realize that I haven't joined the IRC chat lately either. I made two attempts previously and they were both silent. I've used other recent chat platforms, but it wasn't until I started in Ubuntu a few years ago that I was introduced to IRC, even though it's been around since...1988. (Thanks Wikipedia)

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    Re: Organizational Proposal submitted by JWDinKC

    MO is pretty big place, I don't see a problem with subgroups and multiple events at multiple places, some synchronized events would be cool too.

    For the St Louis area, as a member of ArchReactor I could reserve the space for an event, free wifi and comfortable seating for about 20 people, many more with folding chairs. Also have a 96" project screen if someone wants to do some presentation, and many work tables for setting up PC's.

    Many A.R. members are also avid Ubuntu users and promoters, everyone is welcome to attend anything on their calendar. Stop by anytime to meet some other users. This coming Tuesday is our Halloween potluck too, everyone is invited!

    If there's interest in an ubuntu-centric event, I just need a week or so notice to reserve the space.

    I think the goal of a LoCo should be more social and community oriented, promoting Ubutnu. If some sales do happen as a direct result of the groups work, I'd like to see those funds go to building basic computers for people that can't afford one, and buying pressed CD's to hand out. However, if some members do want to go off on the side and make a for-profit business, i don't have a problem with that. Just don't use the groups resources any more than you'd use OSS resources in general.

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    Re: Organizational Proposal submitted by JWDinKC

    I nominate you JWDinKC as president for the New Kansas City Loco. You can obviously wake up the people here who want to help but have no one to lead them. I'm just a pawn but would love to be more involved as would most of the others. I live in Lenexa KS, so I would join your Kansas City Loco if you started one. The Ubuntu forums for Missouri and Kansas could be a good place to start it up and locate members who live in the area.

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    Re: Organizational Proposal submitted by JWDinKC

    Wow Curtis, You're Bluecherry‽ Man, I've been a fan for a while now. I almost mentioned you in my list of potential projects here, but declined only because I didn't know what kind of legal atmosphere we would be in if we were involved in surveillance equipment. It's one thing if you are installing them as a vendor, or I as a home or business owner, it's different if the non-profit group is responsible. I figured it was something that could be brought up later as the group matures. So, you're bringing hardware and software expertise in from a completely different angle, business experience, as well as a feel for local needs and market. I really need to re read the old posts and the Launchpad bio's.

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