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    Re: GeForce4 MX 440 Not Supported in Maverick Meerkat 10.10 Upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by xingular View Post
    Not working for me GeForce 3 Ti 200
    When I run startx I see this:*


    Fatal server error:
    Server is already active for display 0
    If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
    and start again.


    Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
    at http://wiki.x.org
    for help.

    *ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log



    Reboot, and I still haven't desktop effects.
    remove /tmp/.X0-lock ...hmm, could work
    rather, you could rename it and put it back if it didn't do the trick

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    Exclamation Re: GeForce4 MX 440 Not Supported in Maverick Meerkat 10.10 Upgrade?

    How long do you guys expect ancient hardware to be supported by new OS's?

    I have one of these graphics cards in a system at home and that also has an 800MHz Pentium III processor and 768MB of RAM (maxed out). It's still running 8.04.

    At some point you have to hang it up and move on.

    It's so old that here are the supported Windows OS's:
    WHQL-certified for Windows XP, Windows
    Me, Windows 2000, Windows NT, and
    Windows 98

    Here's what you'll see at the bottom of the data sheet for this device:
    Registered trademark NVIDIA® Corporation, 2002. 4 x 4 Evo 2 copyright 2001
    So I'd highly recommend newer hardware or an older OS.
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    Re: GeForce4 MX 440 Not Supported in Maverick Meerkat 10.10 Upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by antoinem01 View Post
    Might not be perfect but good enough for me:

    sudo su to become root
    run nvidia-xconfig (this was in: /usr/lib/nvidia-96/bin/nvidia-xconfig)
    go into /etc/X11/xorg.conf - I used vi
    modify driver from nvidia to nv - in my case this was on line 94
    save file
    run startx
    when ok - reboot machine - should go straight into your x-windows session

    Resolution either 1600X1200 or 1400X1050
    Screendept 16

    Machine is a Dell Latitiude 840C
    Worked for me! Thanks so much - I was getting near to thinking about going back to Windows [pause to bang head off desk] but now I can wait for the driver update and use my PC.

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    Re: GeForce4 MX 440 Not Supported in Maverick Meerkat 10.10 Upgrade?

    I successfully downgraded X to the version in Lucid (1.7).
    Works like a charm for me. No problems with 3D or resolutions.
    Besides X everything is just like a new os

    If anyone wants to know how...post a request in this thread, I'll see what I can do to reproduce the steps.

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    Lightbulb Re: GeForce4 MX 440 Not Supported in Maverick Meerkat 10.10 Upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by CampbellBoyd View Post
    Worked for me! Thanks so much - I was getting near to thinking about going back to Windows [pause to bang head off desk] but now I can wait for the driver update and use my PC.
    That's because 'nv' is a generic open source NVidia driver that supports 2D.

    So if you don't need 3D, that should work just fine.
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    Re: GeForce4 MX 440 Not Supported in Maverick Meerkat 10.10 Upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by dreamCatalyst View Post
    I successfully downgraded X to the version in Lucid (1.7).
    Works like a charm for me. No problems with 3D or resolutions.
    Besides X everything is just like a new os

    If anyone wants to know how...post a request in this thread, I'll see what I can do to reproduce the steps.
    Please... Request here. I'm very noob...

    I don't have any resolution problem. I need 3D only. For desktop effects, Google Earth... With "nv" would have 2d only.

    GeForce 3 Ti works with nvidia-96?
    Last edited by xingular; October 12th, 2010 at 06:46 PM.

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    Re: GeForce4 MX 440 Not Supported in Maverick Meerkat 10.10 Upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by xingular View Post
    Please... Request here. I'm very noob...
    Disclaimer: this is what I did, it worked for me, it might not for you. This could break your system.

    So here's what I did. First off I used Synaptic to force and lock the versions for all the xserver-xorg packages. Synaptic requires a gui (duh) so a working X with the nv drivers is needed.

    step 1) If you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (you shouldn't) back it up now.
    step 2) Add the following repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list:
    Code:
    deb http://en.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main
    deb-src http://en.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main
    step 3) Update the repositories
    Code:
    sudo apt-get update
    step 4) Purge xserver-xorg:
    Code:
    sudo apt-get purge xserver-xorg
    step 5) This step requires a bit of work. Fire up Synaptic, search for xserver-xorg, sort by name.
    For pretty much each xserver-xorg package with the Ubuntu logo you'll want to "Force Version" (Ctrl+E) and select the Lucid version. Then choose "Lock version".
    If Synaptic wants to mark other packages choose Cancel each time otherwise you'll simply get an error-message that it can't/won't be able to install.

    For completeness here is the list of packages and their versions I locked.
    I wanted to do this step with some script-fu but couldn't figure out a good way to lock (pin) the packages. Maybe someone else can make a suggestion.
    Code:
    xserver-xorg=1:7.5+5ubuntu1
    xserver-xorg-core=2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7
    xserver-xorg-input-evdev=1:2.3.2-5ubuntu1
    xserver-xorg-input-mouse=1:1.5.0-1
    xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse=1:12.6.5-4ubuntu2
    xserver-xorg-input-wacom=1:0.10.5-0ubuntu4
    xserver-xorg-video-apm=1:1.2.2-1
    xserver-xorg-video-ark=1:0.7.2-1
    xserver-xorg-video-chips=1:1.2.2-1
    xserver-xorg-video-cirrus=1:1.3.2-1ubuntu1
    xserver-xorg-video-fbdev=1:0.4.1-1ubuntu1
    xserver-xorg-video-geode=2.11.8-4
    xserver-xorg-video-i128=1:1.3.3-1
    xserver-xorg-video-i740=1:1.3.2-1
    xserver-xorg-video-intel=2:2.9.1-3ubuntu5
    xserver-xorg-video-mga=1:1.4.11.dfsg-2ubuntu1
    xserver-xorg-video-neomagic=1:1.2.4-2
    xserver-xorg-video-nv=1:2.1.15-1ubuntu3
    xserver-xorg-video-radeon=1:6.13.0-1ubuntu5
    xserver-xorg-video-rendition=1:4.2.3-1
    xserver-xorg-video-s3=1:0.6.3-1
    xserver-xorg-video-s3virge=1:1.10.4-1
    xserver-xorg-video-savage=1:2.3.1-1ubuntu1
    xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion=1:1.7.3-1
    xserver-xorg-video-sis=1:0.10.2-2
    xserver-xorg-video-sisusb=1:0.9.3-1
    xserver-xorg-video-tdfx=1:1.4.3-1
    xserver-xorg-video-trident=1:1.3.3-1
    xserver-xorg-video-tseng=1:1.2.3-1
    xserver-xorg-video-v4l=1:0.2.0-4
    xserver-xorg-video-vesa=1:2.3.0-1ubuntu1
    xserver-xorg-video-vmware=1:10.16.9-1
    xserver-xorg-video-voodoo=1:1.2.3-1
    step 6) Reinstall xserver-xorg
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
    You should now see a list of packages it wants to install. Verify that these are the "older" (Lucid) versions and then go ahead.

    step 7) After restarting X you should be done, if the nvidia-driver won't load you might want to try running:
    Code:
    sudo nvidia-xconfig
    Quote Originally Posted by xingular View Post
    GeForce 3 Ti works with nvidia-96?
    Not sure but I think so. Use google for this one

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    Re: GeForce4 MX 440 Not Supported in Maverick Meerkat 10.10 Upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Odds View Post
    How long do you guys expect ancient hardware to be supported by new OS's?
    Till the hardware dies. Why throw out a perfectly good working piece of hardware?

    Wasn't part of the promise of Linux you could run it on old "obsolete hardware?"

    The problem I am experiencing is really weird. Now, sometimes when I boot up, everything seems fine. Other times I get a page full of lines of text and a command prompt.

    And everything did work perfectly in Lucid.

    A suggestion for any developer of Ubuntu "listening" why not add a routine in upgrades that searches the existing hardware and lets the person upgrading know of potential conflicts before they do the upgrade, and possibly ways to get around it for the time being?

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    Re: GeForce4 MX 440 Not Supported in Maverick Meerkat 10.10 Upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Odds View Post
    How long do you guys expect ancient hardware to be supported by new OS's?

    I have one of these graphics cards in a system at home and that also has an 800MHz Pentium III processor and 768MB of RAM (maxed out). It's still running 8.04.

    At some point you have to hang it up and move on.

    It's so old that here are the supported Windows OS's:
    WHQL-certified for Windows XP, Windows
    Me, Windows 2000, Windows NT, and
    Windows 98

    Here's what you'll see at the bottom of the data sheet for this device:
    Registered trademark NVIDIA® Corporation, 2002. 4 x 4 Evo 2 copyright 2001
    So I'd highly recommend newer hardware or an older OS.
    A MX440 will run in vista, at least (possibly win7 but I havent tried that). With vista, you HAVE to us the built-in vista driver. BTW, the main reason why there is no offical support for the MX440 is because the MX440 is a DX7 card, vista + win7 need a DX9 cards, but vista with a MX440 worked for me (thats also the reason why the 3Ti and 4Ti card dont have offical vista/win7 drivers, they are only DX8 cards)

    10.10 would have no problems supporting the 96.xx drivers right now if it was using xorg 1.8.x, and the 96.xx drivers should get a version that works with xorg 1.9 sooner or later.

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    Exclamation Re: GeForce4 MX 440 Not Supported in Maverick Meerkat 10.10 Upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaughingHorse View Post
    Till the hardware dies. Why throw out a perfectly good working piece of hardware?

    Wasn't part of the promise of Linux you could run it on old "obsolete hardware?"

    The problem I am experiencing is really weird. Now, sometimes when I boot up, everything seems fine. Other times I get a page full of lines of text and a command prompt.

    And everything did work perfectly in Lucid.

    A suggestion for any developer of Ubuntu "listening" why not add a routine in upgrades that searches the existing hardware and lets the person upgrading know of potential conflicts before they do the upgrade, and possibly ways to get around it for the time being?
    If you want to run on really old hardware, use really old software.

    That "promise" that you speak of can only be taken so far. Should 10.10 also have CGA support?

    If you like the way that it worked with Lucid, you should keep using Lucid. It's an LTS and that means that you can use it for a long time.
    24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence? I think not!

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