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    Re: HOWTO: Purge and Reinstall Grub 2 from the Live CD

    Quote Originally Posted by drs305 View Post
    If UUID's aren't working, which sounds like the change you have to make to get things working, you can change /etc/default/grub so UUID's are not used. Uncomment the following line, then update grub.


    If you still have problems, it could be the "search" line is causing difficulties. There are ways to eliminate that as well.

    If the change to /etc/default/grub doesn't work, please let us know and post the contents of RESULTS.txt after running the boot info script from here:
    http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net
    DRS305,

    I uncommented the line that you suggested two ways. One try was removing the # before the command. No luck. The other was to place quotations marks around true, as was suggested in the grub 2 documentation. Still no luck.

    Attached is my latests results.txt.
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    Re: HOWTO: Purge and Reinstall Grub 2 from the Live CD

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesamccarty View Post
    DRS305,

    I uncommented the line that you suggested two ways. One try was removing the # before the command. No luck. The other was to place quotations marks around true, as was suggested in the grub 2 documentation. Still no luck.
    Changing the line worked, as the UUID is no longer present in the "linux" line.

    The next thing to try is to remove the search line. While we can change the scripts to omit the "search" line, it would probably be easier for testing purposes to just edit grub.cfg once to see if removing the "search" line is the cause of your troubles.

    Open /boot/grub/grub.cfg for editing (yes, I know it is not normally edited).
    Code:
    gksu gedit +154 /boot/grub/grub.cfg
    This should open grub.cfg to the "search" line of your first menu entry (Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.32-25-generic). Remove the search line, save the file, do not update grub, reboot and select the first menu entry and see if it boots normally. If it boots normally, we will alter your scripts to eliminate the search line.

    Added:
    I also noted in your RESULTS.txt that you have a /grub/core.img file. I don't know how that folder/file ended up there, but it's not part of the grub file structure. The core.img file should be in /boot/grub and there is no /grub folder. You have copies of the correct folders/files, so you shouldn't move /grub/core.img to /boot/grub. I would either rename it or move it out of your system partition to prevent any confusion.
    Last edited by drs305; November 3rd, 2010 at 07:24 PM.
    GRUB2

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    Re: HOWTO: Purge and Reinstall Grub 2 from the Live CD

    Quote Originally Posted by drs305 View Post
    Changing the line worked, as the UUID is no longer present in the "linux" line.

    The next thing to try is to remove the search line. While we can change the scripts to omit the "search" line, it would probably be easier for testing purposes to just edit grub.cfg once to see if removing the "search" line is the cause of your troubles.

    Open /boot/grub/grub.cfg for editing (yes, I know it is not normally edited).
    Code:
    gksu gedit +154 /boot/grub/grub.cfg
    This should open grub.cfg to the "search" line of your first menu entry (Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.32-25-generic). Remove the search line, save the file, do not update grub, reboot and select the first menu entry and see if it boots normally. If it boots normally, we will alter your scripts to eliminate the search line.

    Added:
    I also noted in your RESULTS.txt that you have a /grub/core.img file. I don't know how that folder/file ended up there, but it's not part of the grub file structure. The core.img file should be in /boot/grub and there is no /grub folder. You have copies of the correct folders/files, so you shouldn't move /grub/core.img to /boot/grub. I would either rename it or move it out of your system partition to prevent any confusion.

    I see what you mean and I renamed the extra /grub directory to /bgrub. I have no clue how it got there. I edited /boot/grub/grub.cdg as you asked and then rebooted my computer. I am still not getting the boot menu. It still goes immediately to the grub> prompt.
    I noticed that there is another search command at line 119.
    Attached is my results2.txt file.
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    Re: HOWTO: Purge and Reinstall Grub 2 from the Live CD

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesamccarty View Post
    I edited /boot/grub/grub.cdg as you asked and then rebooted my computer. I am still not getting the boot menu. It still goes immediately to the grub> prompt.
    I noticed that there is another search command at line 119.
    Attached is my results2.txt file.
    I am still assuming you can boot normally if you go to the grub prompt and type:
    linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-25-generic root=/dev/sda1 ro
    initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-25-generic
    boot
    There are two search lines still existing in your grub.cfg file, so we will get rid of them plus some additional lines which are normally not used.

    Try editing grub.cfg again, make a backup, then remove the following section.


    insmod ext2
    set root='(hd0,1)'
    search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 996f5576-b087-45d0-87ab-72b53b33dd06
    if loadfont /usr/share/grub/unicode.pf2 ; then
    set gfxmode=640x480
    insmod gfxterm
    insmod vbe
    if terminal_output gfxterm ; then true ; else
    # For backward compatibility with versions of terminal.mod that don't
    # understand terminal_output
    terminal gfxterm
    fi
    fi
    insmod ext2
    set root='(hd0,1)'
    search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 996f5576-b087-45d0-87ab-72b53b33dd06
    set locale_dir=($root)/boot/grub/locale
    set lang=en
    insmod gettext
    Save the file, do NOT update grub, and see if it will boot from the first menu entry.
    GRUB2

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    Re: HOWTO: Purge and Reinstall Grub 2 from the Live CD

    Quote Originally Posted by drs305 View Post
    I am still assuming you can boot normally if you go to the grub prompt and type:


    There are two search lines still existing in your grub.cfg file, so we will get rid of them plus some additional lines which are normally not used.

    Try editing grub.cfg again, make a backup, then remove the following section.


    Save the file, do NOT update grub, and see if it will boot from the first menu entry.

    This is so weird. I renamed grub.cfg to grub.cfg.bak. I edited the file and removed the lines specified and saved the file as grub.cfg. I did not update-grub.
    The first time I rebooted, the grub menu appeared and booted into linux 2.6.32-25-generic, as it should have done.
    Just in case it might have been a fluke, I rebooted again. I got the grub> prompt and had to boot manually.
    Well, I can say that I am losing my fear of terminal. It's starting to become my best friend. Please take a look at my latest results.txt file. Oh by the way, I removed all of the search lines from grub.cfg without any luck.
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    Re: HOWTO: Purge and Reinstall Grub 2 from the Live CD

    What result do you get when you run:
    Code:
    grub-editenv list
    The /boot/grub/grubenv file contains instructions to boot a preset menuentry.

    At this point, once you boot to your normal installation (even if you have to type it) it might be time to just run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" to rebuild the core.img (Note you do not use sda1)

    Reboot and see what happens.

    If you still have no success, (and you still have your backup of grub.cfg), edit your current shortened grub.cfg and remove everything above the line:
    ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
    Save the file and reboot. Press ENTER on the first entry. You will probably see a message about executing a command list, but it should boot.

    If things still aren't working, I'd remake your grub.cfg file with:
    Code:
    sudo update-grub
    GRUB2

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    Re: HOWTO: Purge and Reinstall Grub 2 from the Live CD

    Quote Originally Posted by drs305 View Post
    What result do you get when you run:
    Code:
    grub-editenv list
    The /boot/grub/grubenv file contains instructions to boot a preset menuentry.

    At this point, once you boot to your normal installation (even if you have to type it) it might be time to just run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" to rebuild the core.img (Note you do not use sda1)

    Reboot and see what happens.

    If you still have no success, (and you still have your backup of grub.cfg), edit your current shortened grub.cfg and remove everything above the line:

    Save the file and reboot. Press ENTER on the first entry. You will probably see a message about executing a command list, but it should boot.

    If things still aren't working, I'd remake your grub.cfg file with:
    Code:
    sudo update-grub
    First of all, Thanks for all your patience with this newbie.
    I tried everything on the list today. Ugh! I'm open to any other suggestions. I finally ran "update-grub" and everything seems to match up with my backup file. I am still able to boot manually from the "grub>" prompt.
    James

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    Re: HOWTO: Purge and Reinstall Grub 2 from the Live CD

    @ jamesamccarty,

    I think I know what is happening. Based on our discussions and trials, I went back and reviewed all the old posts.

    Since you system boots with only a minimal input into the terminal, the modules are being loaded and the paths are correct, I am pretty certain the missing link is grub.cfg. I don't believe G2 is seeing it.

    The most logical reason for this is that your BIOS isn't looking beyond the 137GB limit. This was the case for older BIOS's, or perhaps a newer BIOS that doesn't have the disk options correctly set.

    Enter BIOS during boot and see what size it reports for your Ubuntu drive. If it doesn't list it as at least 200GB, see if there is a setting you can change. The reason for my suspicion is in the RESULTS.txt. Notice they are all below the 137GB limit except grub.cfg.

    98.9GB: boot/grub/core.img
    193.8GB: boot/grub/grub.cfg
    99.0GB: boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-25-generic
    98.9GB: boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-25-generic
    99.0GB: initrd.img
    98.9GB: vmlinuz
    The behavior you are getting is exactly the behavior G2 will exhibit if it can't find a valid grub.cfg file.

    If you can't change the BIOS, try reinstalling grub and run the boot info script to see if G2 has now placed the grub.cfg file below the 137GB limit.
    From your normal Ubuntu installation:
    Code:
    sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
    sudo update-grub
    If it still doesn't find grub.cfg, the next time you get to the grub prompt, type:
    Code:
    ls (hd0,1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
    and see if it lists grub.cfg among the files.
    GRUB2

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    Re: HOWTO: Purge and Reinstall Grub 2 from the Live CD

    Quote Originally Posted by drs305 View Post
    @ jamesamccarty,

    I think I know what is happening. Based on our discussions and trials, I went back and reviewed all the old posts.

    Since you system boots with only a minimal input into the terminal, the modules are being loaded and the paths are correct, I am pretty certain the missing link is grub.cfg. I don't believe G2 is seeing it.

    The most logical reason for this is that your BIOS isn't looking beyond the 137GB limit. This was the case for older BIOS's, or perhaps a newer BIOS that doesn't have the disk options correctly set.

    Enter BIOS during boot and see what size it reports for your Ubuntu drive. If it doesn't list it as at least 200GB, see if there is a setting you can change. The reason for my suspicion is in the RESULTS.txt. Notice they are all below the 137GB limit except grub.cfg.



    The behavior you are getting is exactly the behavior G2 will exhibit if it can't find a valid grub.cfg file.

    If you can't change the BIOS, try reinstalling grub and run the boot info script to see if G2 has now placed the grub.cfg file below the 137GB limit.
    From your normal Ubuntu installation:
    Code:
    sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
    sudo update-grub
    If it still doesn't find grub.cfg, the next time you get to the grub prompt, type:
    Code:
    ls (hd0,1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
    and see if it lists grub.cfg among the files.
    You are correct. In the BIOS, it shows only a 137GB Drive. There is no way to change it.
    I installed grub again and ran update-grub. I then ran boot_info_script to check where it installed grub.cfg. Same location as before. I rebooted to the grub> prompt and typed "ls (hd0,1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg" It listed. Just for fun, I typed "ls (hd0,1)/boot/grub" and got the list of everything in the directory. grub.cfg was there, as expected.

    I don't wish to have to back up everything and start over. Is there any way to specify where on the hard drive to install a file?

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    Re: HOWTO: Purge and Reinstall Grub 2 from the Live CD

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesamccarty View Post

    I don't wish to have to back up everything and start over. Is there any way to specify where on the hard drive to install a file?

    I was hoping I wouldn't have to address this because I'll have to show my ignorance on the manner. I don't know precisely how disk operations work. I spent some time this weekend playing with a system to find a solution, as I figured someone eventually would ask what you just did.

    What I tried was to delete non-essential files on / . I deleted a lot of the /var/log backup files, ran "sudo apt-get clean", emptied root's trash, and then renamed the Grub2 file(s) outside the 137GB limit. I renamed the file(s) so the space they currently occupied couldn't be reused and the system would have to put the file(s) elsewhere. Then I ran the commands necessary to regenerate the files I'd renamed. In my case it was successful. So give these things a try, and then run "sudo update-grub" to generate a new grub.cfg and see where it is placed.

    Even if successful, there may be a time when files are once again put outside the limit. The long-term solution is to get a BIOS update or create a separate /boot partition. Hopefully someone can provide a better way around this issue.
    Last edited by drs305; November 8th, 2010 at 06:31 PM. Reason: "emptied root's trash"
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