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    Governments around the World should tax the Tobacco Company's 100% on their Gross earnings. Problem solved.
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    Re: Smoking/Smokers?

    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
    Governments around World should tax the Tobacco Company's 100% on their Gross earnings. Problem solved.
    Yes, that's why heroin is not available in countries where they actually execute those who produce it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McRat View Post
    Yes, that's why heroin is not available in countries where they actually execute those who produce it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
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    Kinda like the Marijuana Tax Stamp thing the USA tried to pull.

    They did not have legal grounds to ban marijuana, so they passed a law that you needed a tax stamp to legally possess marijuana.

    And then they just don't sell the tax stamps.



    Yes, you could "outlaw" something via absurd tax laws, but it doesn't stop production, nor does it normally stand up in court anyhow.

    If they taxed legal tobacco growers out of operation, there would be illegal growers instead. Heck with the way some tobacco tax laws are, it might even reduce consumer costs. In many areas, you cannot smoke in public anyways, so it would no different than pot.
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    Couldn't ban marijuana ? good grief , did here .
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    Re: Smoking/Smokers?

    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
    Couldn't ban marijuana ? good grief , did here .
    And a Class B drug here too... indeed, good grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
    Couldn't ban marijuana ? good grief , did here .
    At the time, the Federal government did not have authority over drug laws, it was a state decision. There are areas in the US where alcohol is illegal as well by state or county law, but it is no longer illegal on the Federal level.

    When the USA was founded, it was supposed to a collective of states where the Federal laws were limited; most laws were left to the states. Kind of like a bunch of countries loosely working together. Today, the Federal government has most the power.

    Marijuana is still a highly controversial topic in the US. Some states made small amounts legal to own. At one time, the Federal anti-marijuana laws could put you in prison for 5 years for having 1 marijuana cigarette.

    Making tobacco illegal from the Federal level would be unconstitutional in the US. So they just tax the snot out of it.
    And it might provoke a civil war (but not likely), because the Southern States are where the tobacco is grown.

    It was England's love of tobacco that created the USA. Not religious freedom.
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    Re: Smoking/Smokers?

    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
    Governments around the World should tax the Tobacco Company's 100% on their Gross earnings. Problem solved.
    I did not mention that before, because the COC says:
    Religion/Politics threads:
    Conversations about religion are disallowed at all times, as are all political discussions that are not directly related to free and open source software concerns.
    But as you speak of it.....
    They already do at some places, although the taxes are payed by the smokers and not by the companies. And it should be considered a crime against smokers. Governments probably can't do without those taxes, so they have to put higher taxes on it as more people quit. That's nothing else but stealing.

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    Re: Smoking/Smokers?

    To go more on topic, however, how is it that "organic" tobacco isn't healthier than normal cigarettes?

    Wouldn't common sense tell you that breathing in tobacco + arsenic and preservatives is worse than breathing in JUST tobacco?

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    Re: Smoking/Smokers?

    Quote Originally Posted by new_tolinux View Post
    They already do at some places, although the taxes are payed by the smokers and not by the companies. And it should be considered a crime against smokers. Governments probably can't do without those taxes, so they have to put higher taxes on it as more people quit. That's nothing else but stealing.
    This is called internalizing a negative externality.

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