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    Lightbulb Any Radeon HD testers?

    https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubun...ti/+bug/565790

    I was just wondering if anyone else could try using the open source driver (not the fglrx) for a day or two and see if they get any crashes on these cards. Or on any other similar ones.

    I want to know if everyone with the HD4350, HD4650 and HDHD4670 graphic cards experience crashes? And if any other cards are affected?

    Thanks in advance, it's just this seems a major issue at present (to me and potentially others)!
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    Re: Any Radeon HD testers?

    Quote Originally Posted by fluteflute View Post
    https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubun...ti/+bug/565790

    I was just wondering if anyone else could try using the open source driver (not the fglrx) for a day or two and see if they get any crashes on these cards. Or on any other similar ones.

    I want to know if everyone with the HD4350, HD4650 and HDHD4670 graphic cards experience crashes? And if any other cards are affected?

    Thanks in advance, it's just this seems a major issue at present (to me and potentially others)!
    I don't have those cards, but I do know there's a confirmed and high priority bug causing heat issues with the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver. The bug has been passed upstream to freedesktop.org.

    Don't get too freaked out by the following. I'm speculating, and I'm certainly not always 100% correct.

    In my case, because it's a laptop perhaps as well as having an IGP on the northbridge, which makes heat issues more critical for overall system stability, my system was turning itself off due to a safety setting in the BIOS. After reading your report, I'm thinking it may be the same bug as the one I reported causing your problem. But because it's just the GPU overheating, it's making the screen go wonky before you can do anything about it. You may want to check your video card on the flip side of where the GPU is mounted for discoloration or outright scorching. I have burned Nvidia discrete cards before and had similar problems to what you describe in your bug report before they finally blew out a capacitor or slightly melted the board around the GPU soldering points.

    Here's my original report at launch pad:

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ti/+bug/557829

    Apparently this is not a specific Ubuntu problem. This could be affecting all Linux users with newer (RV6xx, RV7xx, and newer) ATI GPUs. You may want to amend my report upstream here:

    http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27705

    In the meantime, my advice is to run the fglrx driver no matter what other problems it causes, and help fix those issues. IMHO using the current xserver-xorg-video-ati driver could be putting your hardware at risk.

    AFAIK, this is the first ATI FOSS driver that has been able to support compiz that's been included in Ubuntu. New features create new issues. It would be nice to know what kind of GPU cooling apparatus the FOSS driver developers are using.
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    Re: Any Radeon HD testers?

    Quote Originally Posted by fluteflute View Post
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    I want to know if everyone with the HD4350, HD4650 and HDHD4670 graphic cards experience crashes? And if any other cards are affected?!
    I am running an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670 on a Dell Studio XPS 16 under Lucid Beta 2 with all updates. Have not had any problems with the open source driver. Have been running since Alpha 3 without issues. Runs at 1920 x 1080.

    Have not tried the fglrx. Mainly because my experience with on 9.10 was not good, very slow performance and videos not possible to watch in full screen mode. As the open source driver is working well for me I see no reason to change.

    Also run Gnome-Shell with no problems.

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    Re: Any Radeon HD testers?

    Replied to the bug report. In short try radeon.modeset=0 or pci=nomsi as boot parameter.

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    Re: Any Radeon HD testers?

    I have a HP 4710s notebook with Ati Radeon HD4350 mobility in it and installed 10.04 2 days ago.
    I had about 4 'crashes' where the screen would just go blank. Not black or weird characters but backlight is still on, sort of white glaze.
    Nothing reacts anymore, no ctrl/alt/del, shift f2 etc, only turning it off and on again.
    Not sure if it has anything to do with the videocard. I'm currently on for about 4 hours without any crashes.
    Other then that (I'm sure it will get fixed) I'm quite pleased with Lucid.
    Not very pleased if it constantly overheats my laptop though, if that is whats happening, though the laptop doesn't feel warm/hot.
    Last edited by Mars73; April 21st, 2010 at 09:59 AM.

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    Re: Any Radeon HD testers?

    I have the following card
    01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]
    and had also the problems the Threadstarter described.
    After adding pci=nomsi to grub the system did not crash one single time the last 16 hours so it seems to be a workarround for now.

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    Re: Any Radeon HD testers?

    ATI Radeon HD 4670 here - I switched to the open source driver to see if Plymouth would display correctly at startup. At the time I was not aware of the power management bug. I experienced temperature problems and crashes on my desktop PC, particularly when using gimp and watching a video / TV at the same time. Problems solved by switching back to proprietary fglrx.

    I would take the above view from djchandler seriously!
    IMHO using the current xserver-xorg-video-ati driver could be putting your hardware at risk
    If using open source video drivers check your hardware temperatures and it should be noticeable that your fans are spinning at very high speed anyway. My PC case developed a resonant rattle!

    I have not tried this yet:
    In short try radeon.modeset=0 or pci=nomsi as boot parameter.
    Last edited by BrokeMahPC; April 21st, 2010 at 12:31 PM.
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    Re: Any Radeon HD testers?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrokeMahPC View Post
    I experienced temperature problems and crashes on my desktop PC,
    May I ask how you know that there are problems with the temperature?
    I have the sensors-applet running and see temps from my hdds, my CPU and rotation from the fans. I didn't notice any problems.

    Does lm-sensors support temp-messurement of the GPU? Problem is that my 4670 is passive cooled so I dont hear any fan spinning as there is none
    But none the less I would hate to fry the card.

    Btw: I tried to use fglrx but it crashed the system also randomly. But not only in Lucid... Karmic was the same. Even with my former card (ATI HD 3470).

    But I noticed some problems in dmesg after the crash (with radeon... not fglrx!):
    Code:
    [ 4752.331431] [drm:radeon_fence_wait] *ERROR* fence(ffff88005f5f8d00:0x00027D00) 510ms timeout going to reset GPU
    [ 4752.331443] radeon 0000:01:00.0: GPU softreset 
    [ 4752.331449] radeon 0000:01:00.0:   R_008010_GRBM_STATUS=0xE00014A4
    [ 4752.331455] radeon 0000:01:00.0:   R_008014_GRBM_STATUS2=0x00100002
    [ 4752.331460] radeon 0000:01:00.0:   R_000E50_SRBM_STATUS=0x200020C0
    [ 4752.516240] radeon 0000:01:00.0: Wait for MC idle timedout !
    [ 4752.516245] radeon 0000:01:00.0:   R_008020_GRBM_SOFT_RESET=0x00007FEE
    [ 4752.516301] radeon 0000:01:00.0: R_008020_GRBM_SOFT_RESET=0x00000001
    [ 4752.516366] radeon 0000:01:00.0:   R_000E60_SRBM_SOFT_RESET=0x00000C02
    [ 4752.565091] radeon 0000:01:00.0:   R_008010_GRBM_STATUS=0x00003028
    [ 4752.565096] radeon 0000:01:00.0:   R_008014_GRBM_STATUS2=0x00000002
    [ 4752.565102] radeon 0000:01:00.0:   R_000E50_SRBM_STATUS=0x200000C0
    [ 4752.567381] [drm:radeon_fence_wait] *ERROR* fence(ffff88005f5f8480:0x00027D02) 510ms timeout going to reset GPU
    [ 4752.567394] radeon 0000:01:00.0: GPU softreset
    and so on. I looked for this error at google and did find bug-reports on this from 2009 so this seems to be an older bug.

    Hmmm...

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    Re: Any Radeon HD testers?

    Ok... forget it. Crashed a minute ago... maybe I shoud give radeonhd a try?

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    Re: Any Radeon HD testers?

    You can't get the GPU temp without FGLRX, correct, lm-sensors does not support it as far as I know - the madly spinning fans plus warmer than usual air being expelled from the case alerted me that something wasn't right.

    Now using fglrx I can get the GPU temp by:
    Code:
    aticonfig --odgt
    which gives:
    Code:
    Default Adapter - ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series
                      Sensor 0: Temperature - 32.00 C
    With fglrx:
    When not doing anything GPU temp varies between 32C and 34C.
    Playing full screen video 1080x1920 - GPU temp varies between 37C and 39C
    I don't get madly spinning fans or very warm air blowing out of the case.

    I agree this isn't very scientific but I'm convinced there was a difference. The PC does not crash with FGLRX. It would help if we could access the GPU temp somehow when not using FGLRX so we could be more thorough when looking at this.

    I just noticed I have this entry in lm-sensors that roughly seems to follow the temp of the GPU from aticonfig - is it the GPU or not, anyone?
    Code:
    coretemp-isa-0001
    Adapter: ISA adapter
    Core 1:      +37.0°C  (high = +76.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
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