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  1. #11
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    Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala

    Re: Install failure: Graphite G4 Tower

    Many (not all, but many) G4s have internal ATA controllers which cannot handle Hard Drives over 128Gb (no LBA support I think).

    So 500Gb is a combined hardware/software limitation, but more a question of hardware than software, not limited to 10.3, happens in 10.4 and 10.5 too. It can be overcome with some software, but that is a work-around, not a permanent fix, and it means making special partitions so booting happens from those below 128Gb, and no partition cross this boundary, i.e. start below 128Gb and end above it. See more info here, it is about CUbes, but a Cube is one compact G4, and they discuss tower G4s as well:

    http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/inde...t=&#entry98143

    And since it is partly software, it might break with a future software or OS update. Seems flaky to me, YMMV.

    I'd recommend the hardware approach. If you want it internal, get a Mac compatible PCI ATA adapter, and go from there - no 128Gb limit. Maybe even go SATA and get the drive to match.

    External in a Firewire/USB case - again no 128Gb limit. Firewire is better than USB for this, because there is no Firewire slower than 400Mb/s, and some faster, and you can boot all Macs that have it from whatever you attach that way. Macs that have itare all those from one of the early iMacs (second or third model, G3) to the current ones. Many G4 and older Macs have only USB1.x built in, and need a PCI card for USB2.x, and also booting from USB is more tricky. It is only somewhat supported on the really new Intel ones, and not at all on the older models, some people report having done it, but why take a chance when there is an alternate method that will work with less hassle.

    On to the install CD - I'd suggest the mini CD for several reasons. Much smaller download, about 17Mb vs. 700. Can be burnt to a CD-RW, so if it fails, try again with an older/newer version, no coasters. Requires an internet connection during install (that's the downside, but if you can plug it into or connect wirelessly to a router or other computer with internet connection sharing, not a dealbreaker). It saves waiting for the 700mb download, only to discover upon first boot that Firefox and Open Office have updates made after the install CD was mastered, and you have 300 more mb to install after the CD!

    URL for mini CD:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...tion/MinimalCD

    you want PowerPC 32 bit (only G5 is b4 bit)

    Maybe try burning at a slower speed, 1X, 2X, 4X whatever won't drive you batty with waiting. May make no difference, but it has been known to help sometimes, if only rarely.

    As for why it won't boot the CD, is the CD drive in the Mac Apple supplied? Many non-Apple drives will not be bootable, that may be the only problem. If in an external case, is it USB or Firewire? USB will most likely fail, and even Firewire can be inconsistent, best to go internal if possible.

    AGP cards: Early G4s (called Yikes, Gigabit Ethernet, etc.) have a 3.3V AGP 2X slot. Later ones (Digital Audio, Mirror Drive Door, etc.) have 1.5V 4X. 8X AGP may work in the latter ones but NOT in the early ones. Safest bet to get the lower AGP variety and work up from there. 3.3V AGP has two notches or gaps in the connector, not one. You may have to tape/cut pins 3 & 11 (those early Macs use them for Apple proprietary stuff, and AGP 8X for something else, so a generic PC card will not work electrically otherwise) and flash the firmware with a Mac specific one.

    Refence:
    http://themacelite.wikidot.com/

    The fact that booting from a 9.04 CD burned on a Mac failed suggest you no longer had the problem of the CD burning incorrectly in any way that matters, and that it could be the CD drive in the G4 is not bootable, either because it's non-Apple or because it's on a non-bootable port, etc.

    Oh and the Karmic 9.10 mini CD linked above comes with yaboot in the iso and preconfigured, it has booted my G4 Cube successfully.
    And it is a net install once the mini CD finishes loading.

    HTH

    P.S. The G4 has more to offer than a case
    Last edited by lubod; January 13th, 2010 at 08:43 AM. Reason: Comment added
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  2. #12
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    Re: Install failure: Graphite G4 Tower

    So.
    It worked, sort of.
    I d/l-ed & burned the 9.10 iso, booted into it and launched the installer, no sweat. It started giving me grief when it wanted me to pick a mirror to download from:
    The only 2 options are 'manually specify' and 'united kingdom' for mirrors.
    I have TFPD set up on my XP box, can I use that as a mirror? None of the mirrors that I've looked at in the American Northeast have up-to-date PPC builds.
    Suggestions?

  3. #13
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    Re: Install failure: Graphite G4 Tower

    Thanks very much for your help!
    I do not understand why, but the minimal install CD booted fine, and the install went just fine through the UK server.
    Much obliged.

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