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    Re: PPA repository for original cdrtools for newer Ubuntu?

    Hello David!

    You are right, I will test it.
    And you are right that I'm not sure whether it'll solve my burning problems. Maybe not. I'll see ...

    But what's wrong about checking if there's any experience already made by someone else? No harm done in asking, right?

    The truth is that while searching for information and documentation on the cdrtools and the topic in general, I feel lost in an obviously very emotional discussion. It's hard to get any reliable information that people like me can understand without being a programmer or lawyer.

    thx for reading anyway,
    piedro

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    Re: PPA repository for original cdrtools for newer Ubuntu?

    I have not done any extensive testing yet but using the brandon snider ppa for cdrtools replaced wodim, genisoimage and cdrkit with cdrtools. cdrecord & mkisofs show version 3.0 by Jörg Schilling and until now I haven't run into any problems yet using brasero.

    I'll post if I run into trouble ...

    thx for reading,
    piedro

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    Re: PPA repository for original cdrtools for newer Ubuntu?

    Quote Originally Posted by nomnex View Post
    maybe read this for your information

    http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6848359973.html
    These are pointless rants and not really related to cdrtools.

    During the past 14 years, I was forced several times to find
    workarouds for non-stable Linux kernel interfaces. The last
    incompatible change in Linux SCSI is furtunately nearly 6
    years ago. This last one has been introduced by Linus Torvalds
    and caused any compliant SCSI userprogram to fail. Torvalds
    has been asked by a big majority of the Linux kernel hackers
    to undo his change immediately after he broke Linux, to no
    avail.

    The original cdrtools only have been broken by Linux kernel
    self-incompatibilities from time to time....

    Unfortunately many people may believe that there are additional
    problems, but these additional problem are bugs that have been
    introduced by Debian in the Debian variants of the cdrtools
    binaries. The current problems are caused by an unfriendly
    Debian packager that started attacks against the project in
    May 2004.

    The current version of the fork found on Debian is dead since
    more than 3 years. There are more than 100 well known and
    well documented bugs. There never has been any attempt from
    Debian to fix these bugs.

    People who use the original software instead of the fork
    from Debian know that none of the documented bugs from
    the Debian variant apply to the original software.

    During the past 6 months, more and more people realized
    the real cause of the problems and started using the
    original software again.

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    Re: PPA repository for original cdrtools for newer Ubuntu?

    Quote Originally Posted by piedro View Post
    Hello David!

    The truth is that while searching for information and documentation on the cdrtools and the topic in general, I feel lost in an obviously very emotional discussion. It's hard to get any reliable information that people like me can understand without being a programmer or lawyer.

    thx for reading anyway,
    piedro
    I have no idea why some people run personal attacks against cdrtools.
    It started as a personal attack in May 2004 and in Autumn 2005,
    the person who started the personal attacks changed his strategy
    and started to claim a legal problem in the original software.

    If you are interested in the legal background, it would however
    be fairly simple to understand which side is using valid arguments.

    Debian and other parties that claim a legal problem did never
    give any valid legal prove for their claims and all "information"
    that is floating around is just copies from the original Debian claims.

    The legal validation on why the original software has no legal
    problems is however cleanly proven by legal facts and quotes
    to the related laws. Even the FSF only publishes unsourced and
    unconfirmed opinions. There are however many respected lawyers
    and law-scientists that all confirm the same interpretation
    of the US- and European Copyright law and this is the
    interpretation that I base my statements on:

    * Lawrence Rosen (former legal consultant of the OpenSource Initiative)
    about the GPL: http://www.rosenlaw.com/Rosen_Ch06.pdf
    * Thomas Gordon (US lawyer living in Berlin) about license
    compatibility: http://www.osscc.net/pdf/QualipsoA1D113.pdf
    * Lothar Determan (Professor at FU-Berlin and University of San
    Francisco) - Software combinations as Derivative works?
    http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~tlavian/...ions060403.pdf
    * Till Jaeger et al (the lawyers that help Harald Welte with
    gplviolations.org) German GPL comment: http://www.osscc.net/de/gplger.html

    It is real fun to see that there is not a single serious publication that proves me wrong...

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    Hallo Jörg!

    Danke, thx, for all the legal information. Actually I already read through a lot of the documents while trying to figure things out.

    As it has been stressed out by many people before joining the whole discussion (in which by the way I absolutely see your point and don't understand why noone of the other side of the whole discussion is willing to start getting somehow constructive in solving the whole issue. It just seems like noone does care anymore or people want to leave things as they are ...), as stresed out before, I think there's two completely different perspectives to the subject:

    1. the developers perspective:
    in which the legal issues, the technical implications and, I think this should also be part of the open source community, questions of manners and respect should be discussed (and somehow resolved!)

    2. the users perspective:
    herein the questions are more like how to get the choice which tools to use, how to integrate cdrtools into the system without spoiling the user experience of a well integrated modern OS, where to find documentation suitable for different levels of experience

    IMO, getting users to be able to use your tools again in a simple way, the ppa of brandon snider may well be a first step, will quickly evolve into the necessity to revitalize the discussion on the developers side of things. (e.g. there's clearly legal problems using libdvdcss for example, still everybody I know is using it and by integrating in mediabuntu repositories it became a defacto standard part of any ubuntu based privat use system)

    A personal note: I really like your stamina to still work on the cdrtools instead of going for a "screw you!" and quit. Please don't! Thanks for your work.

    thx for reading,
    piedro

    p.s.: still haven't had any issues with the ppa install ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by schily View Post
    These are pointless rants and not really related to cdrtools.

    People who use the original software instead of the fork
    from Debian know that none of the documented bugs from
    the Debian variant apply to the original software.

    During the past 6 months, more and more people realized
    the real cause of the problems and started using the
    original software again.
    Having Brasero CD write problems ever since I switched from Linux Mint 7 to 8 (Karmic) 7 months ago, I finally wanted to find a fix for it. While searching for one, I found that apparently the issues with Brasero on Lucid are even worse. In the process I also came across http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html, causing me, to immediately wanting to get rid of that unfortunate childish Linux cdrkit Kaspertheater and replacing it with cdrtools, which I am familiar with from OS/2.

    Since I couldn't find any up-to-date Ubuntu packages, I ventured to get cdrtools-2.01.01a80.tar.gz
    and dare trying to compile it. I need to mention, that coming from OS/2, I'm still pretty green with *nix.
    Despite some warnings, <./Gmake.linux> seemed to have finished successfully, but now I need some assistance, since I'm a bit lost at this point.

    So far, I couldn't find any binaries yet, leading me to assume, that the compilation process isn't finished yet. If I understand README.compile correctly, then <./Gmake.linux install> should finish it, but from here on, I don't know what to expect next, what else exactly is supposed to be happening.
    Since I didn't find any "uninstall" instructions, in case I screw things up and need to reverse the whole deal, I didn't continue.

    In README.compile, section "Using a different installation directory:" there seems to be the instruction bit missing in the 2nd paragraph, for installing in /usr/local.

    Unless I'm missing something essential here, I'd like to have all the compilation stuff being finished inside the original tarball directory structure, so that I then can pick up the binaries and put them in place of the cdrtools components' symlinks in /usr/bin, pointing to wodim and genisoimage and uninstall those 2 packages.

    So, now any help is appreciated.
    Last edited by OS/2-User; July 21st, 2010 at 02:33 PM.

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    Re: PPA repository for original cdrtools for newer Ubuntu?

    Quote Originally Posted by OS/2-User View Post
    So far, I couldn't find any binaries yet, leading me to assume, that the compilation process isn't finished yet. If I understand README.compile correctly, then <./Gmake.linux install> should finish it, but from here on, I don't know what to expect next, what else exactly is supposed to be happening.
    Since I didn't find any "uninstall" instructions, in case I screw things up and need to reverse the whole deal, I didn't continue.
    First, uninstall what You've messed up. To do this, go to the source directory, invoke:
    Code:
    sudo make uninstall
    Then execute (it will add a special Ubuntu repository for cdrtools):
    Code:
    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:brandonsnider/cdrtools
    (If it doesn't work (I don't know how it's in Mint), add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list:
    Code:
    ### cdrtools
    deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/brandonsnider/cdrtools/ubuntu karmic main
    deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/brandonsnider/cdrtools/ubuntu karmic main
    )

    Afterwards, update:
    Code:
    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
    and install proper packages:
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install cdrecord mkisofs
    Now You'll have original cdrtools updated along with the rest of the system. It's far easier than compiling manually from source...
    Last edited by mgol; July 21st, 2010 at 04:06 PM. Reason: Lucid -> Karmic
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgol View Post
    Now You'll have original cdrtools updated along with the rest of the system. It's far easier than compiling manually from source...
    Thanks, Michal.

    I actually also had found Brandon's ppa, but since his latest package is *.01a76, while Jörg is already at *.01a80, I foolishly decided to give the whole 'compile it yourself' thingy a try.
    At some point one should learn how to do it, n'est-ce pas?

    But apparently, I'm in way over my head with this venture, with no smart geek being around, where I could go to and ask for help.

    So, unless some supernatural enlightenment strikes me tonight unexpectedly, then I'll probably follow your much appreciated guidelines
    Last edited by OS/2-User; July 21st, 2010 at 10:41 PM.

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    Re: PPA repository for original cdrtools for newer Ubuntu?

    Well, before I switched to Brandon's PPA, I used two scripts for installing and uninstalling, both attached.

    However, I prefer the repository approach, so I don't use them any more.

    If You're so willing to go bleeding-edge, You can try them; however, I am not taking responsibility for any inappropriate behaviour, compiling errors etc.
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    Re: PPA repository for original cdrtools for newer Ubuntu?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgol View Post
    First, uninstall what You've messed up. To do this, go to the source directory, invoke:
    Code:
    sudo make uninstall
    Then execute (it will add a special Ubuntu repository for cdrtools):
    Code:
    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:brandonsnider/cdrtools
    (If it doesn't work (I don't know how it's in Mint), add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list:
    Code:
    ### cdrtools
    deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/brandonsnider/cdrtools/ubuntu karmic main
    deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/brandonsnider/cdrtools/ubuntu karmic main
    )

    Afterwards, update:
    Code:
    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
    and install proper packages:
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install cdrecord mkisofs
    Now You'll have original cdrtools updated along with the rest of the system. It's far easier than compiling manually from source...
    Nice walkthrough. Do you know about this process working on Lucid? Thanks for your help.

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