There's still no support for OTR encryption in Empathy, is there?
One of the reasons I recommend Ubuntu to new users is that it is secure by default. There aren't any open services, it has AppArmor and SSP by default, and it integrates great with crypto. The default email and IM clients both have support for strong crypto, setting up an encrypted filesystem is easy, gpg is installed by default, etc..
The way I see it, if Empathy becomes the default client, we are moving from a program that allows users their privacy to one that does not. By extension, as a distribution, Ubuntu is moving away from its commitment to security.
I've gotten a lot of people started on Ubuntu, and I've never had any complaints about Pidgin. Not only is it easy to use for "new users" (I don't know what could be easier), they can set up strong crypto with one click, making Pidgin-OTR the easiest security "papercut", if you will, to patch. Taking Pidgin out of the default install will (likely) mean taking the pidgin-otr package out of the default install, and since it isn't in Pidgin's depends, that will mean new users who want security will have to go into Synaptic or the command line to get it installed.
We are making a key security feature move from one click away to two installations away. Is that really acceptable?
We should include Empathy in Karmic or Karmic +1 and we should make andannounce the decision of which now.
If we donot include Empathy in Karmic, but plan on including it in Karmic +1 (and announce this)it will still give Empathy the attention it needs from developers to fix the bugs that would be considered regressions during the switch without actually replacing Pidgin before they're fixed.
On the other hand, it might still be preferable to include Empathy in Karmic to have more of a guarantee that bugs will be fixed in time for the 10.04 LTS release and many of the existing bugs could be fixed before the final release of Karmic. As someone commented on my last post:
So whether we include it in Karmic, or we hold off until the LTS, let's make and announce the decision now.Empathy has been the top active project in Gnome for the last few weeks, with about 100 commits a week on average. The pace of development is astounding. Once the move to Empathy is the default, Ubuntu can start depending on it for other applications' communication needs (using Tubes). Gnome Games are getting Tubes support. Vino just got Tubes support, meaning that you can share your desktop with your contacts in Empathy.
I understand why 8.04 didn't ship with Empathy, but the change needs to happen. Empathy is 95% there. The needed changes can be made before Karmic if Ubuntu (and Canonical) commits to it. If 9.10 ships with Empathy, all the major bugs will be worked out by 10.04. Who wants to add yet ANOTHER new technology to another LTS.
In fact the problem is not empathy, it's telepathy, which is not so active in all protocols
Until someone can produce a clear list of reasons why Empathy has to replace Pidgin (ie. Broken/missing functionality in Pidgin or significant improvements in usability), this is all a waste of time. A working program should not be replaced because another program is POTENTIALLY better.
The decision was made at UDS, so unless there's something seriously broken it will probably be the default. Note that pidgin will remain in main for at least another cycle, and that people who upgrade will keep pidgin, but new installs will get empathy.
Ubuntu needs working video conferencing in order to compete with other operating systems. Empathy has some rough edges sure, but they are being /quickly/ fixed, which is why we're asking people to participate in the hug day.Until someone can produce a clear list of reasons why Empathy has to replace Pidgin (ie. Broken/missing functionality in Pidgin or significant improvements in usability), this is all a waste of time. A working program should not be replaced because another program is POTENTIALLY better.
Unfortunately, it has a "low" priority.