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    Unhappy Jaunty won't install

    Hi, sorry if this is the wrong place to post this.

    I've downloaded the Jaunty beta, and already installed it on my laptop - it's pretty good. I've also managed to hook it into the windows 7 bootloader (I have 3 OSes on my Laptop, the Win7 beta, XP and Jaunty). I tried installing Jaunty on my PC, but every time it finishes scanning the mirror, when it goes into final configuration, the screen goes green with all these jaggy lines, then loads the login screen (this happens on my laptop when you change resolution/projector settings). Because of this, the install never completes. i've tried about 3 times now and each time has failed - it hasn't even installed the bootloader.

    Any ideas? Again, sorry if I've come to the wrong place - I know how annoyign it is to get the wrong post in the wrong thread.

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    Re: Jaunty won't install

    Any specs you can give on the PC?

    -Cybie

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    Re: Jaunty won't install

    Quote Originally Posted by Cybie257 View Post
    Any specs you can give on the PC?

    -Cybie
    Intel C2D e6400 @ 2.13GHz (note, I'm installing the 64-bit version of jaunty)
    NVIDIA 7600GT (The desktop effects require a downloaded driver, even though it's running off the livecd)
    4GB of RAM
    GIGABYTE GA-945P-S3 Motherboard

    if you need anything else just ask

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    Re: Jaunty won't install

    Hmmm. I'm stumped. All good hardware that should be easily recognized, especially video.

    You say the LiveCD works. What I would do, as I've encountered this in the past, is to re-download, or just re-burn the CD and see if that fixes things as there could be a defect (on the CD) causing something not to install. The LiveCD doesn't always reflect that since some things are not accessed, while installing it accesses just about everything on the CD.

    I believe there is also an option to check the CD when it first boots up, which 'should' indicate any problems. But, as cheap as CD's are these days, might be better to just re-burn and try again.

    Otherwise, the only thing in question is possibly the MBR/Boot sector based on the fact that you are running Windows 7... Micro$oft (as with Vista) is trying all they can to not allow you to dual boot Linux. (At least I feel that way, LoL) Not sure of what the changes might be with Windows 7 Bootloader, but possible that the Linux Installers have yet to catch up to the changes. ???

    -Cybie
    Last edited by Cybie257; April 13th, 2009 at 01:58 PM. Reason: Added Bootloader possibility...

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    Re: Jaunty won't install

    "Hmmm. I'm stumped".....

    Well i have been reading this forum for a cpl of weeks and Ubuntu got some REAL big issues on the grafic side. They cant handle digital correctly in 90 % of the time ! So many threads on this subject that one cant be "stumped" about it, only cry and say oki one more got in the trap !

    And i guees as the relase date get near its just gonna be an UPSSSSSSS solved solution once again.

    Its been a problem since the early days of PowerPC G3 G4, and form 7.10 do to the fact most PC i386 today are sold with grafic-cards with digital output instead of VGA !

    What i dont get is WHY Ubuntu dont come clear telling pepl YES WE HAVE A PROBLEM. Think how many pepl installed Ubuntu and they cant use the system ! That could have been prevented in a big headline " WE GOT SOME ISSUES " ( but we are working on it ).... NO NOTHING IS SAID !

    IM NOWAY AGAINST LINUX OR UBUNTU... But one gets fustrated when using ALOT of time on trying too intall when a simple "dont install if" could have been made !

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    Re: Jaunty won't install

    Quote Originally Posted by Cybie257 View Post
    Hmmm. I'm stumped. All good hardware that should be easily recognized, especially video.

    You say the LiveCD works. What I would do, as I've encountered this in the past, is to re-download, or just re-burn the CD and see if that fixes things as there could be a defect (on the CD) causing something not to install. The LiveCD doesn't always reflect that since some things are not accessed, while installing it accesses just about everything on the CD.

    I believe there is also an option to check the CD when it first boots up, which 'should' indicate any problems. But, as cheap as CD's are these days, might be better to just re-burn and try again.

    Otherwise, the only thing in question is possibly the MBR/Boot sector based on the fact that you are running Windows 7... Micro$oft (as with Vista) is trying all they can to not allow you to dual boot Linux. (At least I feel that way, LoL) Not sure of what the changes might be with Windows 7 Bootloader, but possible that the Linux Installers have yet to catch up to the changes. ???

    -Cybie
    There's nothing wrong with the LiveCD - I've already installed a copy of Jaunty off the same CD on my laptop, and I have succsessfully integrated it with both the Windows XP and Windows 7 Beta boot loaders.

    Perhaps it's something to do with the graphics driver - maybe when ubuntu configures the hardware, it does something funny and causes a graphical change which triggers a logout, cancelling the install before the bootloader can be installed. (Note: The bootloader problem has nothing to do with Windows - I checked on the linux partition and under /boot there was no grub directory, indicating that grub hadn't been installed)

    I'll try installing the official NVIDIA driver through restricted drivers on the LiveCD, see if that fixes anything

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    Re: Jaunty won't install

    Quote Originally Posted by kmnielsen View Post
    Well i have been reading this forum for a cpl of weeks and Ubuntu got some REAL big issues on the grafic side. They cant handle digital correctly in 90 % of the time !
    90% is a pretty big number, I'd like to see how you arrived a that figure. In this day and age I'd expect a significant proportion of users do use linux on machines with TFT and DVI. If it really DVI support really was a problem you'd see the forums literally flooded with them. Instead I get 250 hits for the generic string "DVI" (which could be anything) out of 1,005,649 posts.

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    Re: Jaunty won't install

    Quote Originally Posted by kmnielsen View Post
    "Hmmm. I'm stumped".....

    Well i have been reading this forum for a cpl of weeks and Ubuntu got some REAL big issues on the grafic side. They cant handle digital correctly in 90 % of the time ! So many threads on this subject that one cant be "stumped" about it, only cry and say oki one more got in the trap !

    And i guees as the relase date get near its just gonna be an UPSSSSSSS solved solution once again.

    Its been a problem since the early days of PowerPC G3 G4, and form 7.10 do to the fact most PC i386 today are sold with grafic-cards with digital output instead of VGA !

    What i dont get is WHY Ubuntu dont come clear telling pepl YES WE HAVE A PROBLEM. Think how many pepl installed Ubuntu and they cant use the system ! That could have been prevented in a big headline " WE GOT SOME ISSUES " ( but we are working on it ).... NO NOTHING IS SAID !

    IM NOWAY AGAINST LINUX OR UBUNTU... But one gets fustrated when using ALOT of time on trying too intall when a simple "dont install if" could have been made !
    Just to clarify, I've never had any major issues with Ubuntu and graphics drivers in the past - the only issue I've had is that since either 7.10 or 8.04 I've had to install the official NVIDIA driver for the advanced graphics to work.

    You can't blame Ubuntu/Linux for not working on peoples computers - I've run Ubuntu on a range of different machines, and all of them have worked fine. The problems that people encounter are usually introduced when the systems that they are installing Linux onto have... exotic hardware. Usually Windows works fine, because you'll get a driver disk that will make everything work fine, but most of the time there's no Linux driver.

    I'm not quite sure whether you realize this or not, but AFAIK there is no proprietary code whatsoever on the Ubuntu CD that you download (correct me if i'm wrong about this). When you run the LiveCD, you are using open drivers which have been hand coded by the community to work on that hardware. Considering the amount of computers that Ubuntu can run on, this is quite an amazing feat, and also because of this way the drivers are made, of course there are going to be errors and the like.

    Also, next time you post, could you take a minute to go over what you've written/typed? no offense or anything, but it's just a bit hard to understand what you're trying to say

    P.S. what do you mean by 'UPSSSSSSS'?

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    Re: Jaunty won't install

    Quote Originally Posted by Aubergines View Post
    90% is a pretty big number, I'd like to see how you arrived a that figure. In this day and age I'd expect a significant proportion of users do use linux on machines with TFT and DVI. If it really DVI support really was a problem you'd see the forums literally flooded with them. Instead I get 250 hits for the generic string "DVI" (which could be anything) out of 1,005,649 posts.
    Another note on this - usually DVI/VGA (ie which one to use) is handled by the firmware on the video card, not the driver on the PC. At least until you start to use both ports for dual monitor/projector/TV setups.

    Remember what I said about community-maintained drivers before - you've GOT to expect bugs when they're pitching to such a large audience of so many different types of videocards, and what amazes me is how many different cards these drivers support out-of-the-box. Case in point: when running the Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy LiveCD on my laptop, I can get fancy 3D accelerated graphics without ANY configuration whatsoever. If you also consider that the driver also works with WINE and can play games like Counter-Strike Source through an entire open-source, community maintained system... this is what makes Ubuntu so awesome

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    Re: Jaunty won't install

    Quote Originally Posted by nuclearpidgeon View Post
    Another note on this - usually DVI/VGA (ie which one to use) is handled by the firmware on the video card, not the driver on the PC. At least until you start to use both ports for dual monitor/projector/TV setups.
    Indeed, which is why you do not require any addition software to boot into BIOS regardless of whether which output you're plugged into.

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