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    Red face External USB Floppy Drive

    I can't seem to mount any disks in my external USB floppy drive, all I get is:

    Unable to mount "External Floppy Drive":

    Given device "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_TEAC_TEAC_FD_05PUW" is not a volume or drive


    I'm using some old (unformatted?) Atari ST disks, though I think they're DOS formatted too....i'll have a look for some of my old Windows floppies. Though I thought it could read any format of 3 1/2 inch floppy.

    Any help would be much appreciated!
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    Re: External USB Floppy Drive

    How do you mount your drives? With automount?
    What happens when you use mount in a terminal?

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    Arrow Re: External USB Floppy Drive

    Quote Originally Posted by martinbaselier View Post
    How do you mount your drives? With automount?
    What happens when you use mount in a terminal?
    I haven't used the terminal yet, i've used it like a plug & play device and clicked on the icon when it appeared on the desktop......would you be able to run me through the commands?
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    Re: External USB Floppy Drive

    Very short instructions:

    The floppies are unformatted:
    sudo apt-get install gparted.
    sudo gparted
    There you should be able to select your fdd, create a partition table on it and format it. The graphical interface is pretty straightforward.

    Alternatively you could use sudo cfdisk /dev/fd to create a partition
    and sudo mkfs -t vfat /dev/fdx (replace x with the correct number; fdisk should show you the numer; see below) to create a filesystem on the disk and format it.

    sudo fdisk -l will show you the avaialable (mountable) drives.

    Mounting from the command line:
    mkdir fdd : will create a fdd directory in you home folder
    sudo mount -t filesystem /dev/fdx fdd
    will mount the floppy drive x (replace x with a number) in the folder fd.
    I don't wich filesystem to use though. For dos floppies it wout be vfat.

    Just ask if anything's not clear.

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    Re: External USB Floppy Drive

    One thing to bear in mind with disks formatted for the Atari ST is that they are double-sided, double-density disks meaning that you'll get about half the capacity of a standard high density disk (720KB vs 1.44MB).

    Also, don't expect Ubuntu to read all of the disks because although the ST could format disks to the MSDOS 3.3 standard, many disks were formatted to an extended capacity (I regularly formatted disks to 820KB with no problems).

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    Unhappy Re: External USB Floppy Drive

    Quote Originally Posted by martinbaselier View Post
    sudo fdisk -l will show you the avaialable (mountable) drives.
    Hmmm, fdisk doesn't even recognize it, I can see my main & external HDs, but no floppy...even though there's an icon on the desktop. I installed GParted and it doesn't show any floppy devices in there either.
    ...I installed KFloppy @ someone else's recommendation, it's a GUI frontend for formatting floppies and that says I don't have a floppy device set up.

    Code:
    Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
    255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
    Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
    Disk identifier: 0xace22e9e
    
       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sda1   *           1       19282   154882633+  83  Linux
    /dev/sda2           19283       19457     1405687+   5  Extended
    /dev/sda5           19283       19457     1405656   82  Linux swap / Solaris
    
    Disk /dev/sdc: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
    255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
    Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
    Disk identifier: 0x4a652027
    
       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sdc1               1       60802   488386552+   b  W95 FAT32
    Quote Originally Posted by 00b00nt00 View Post
    One thing to bear in mind with disks formatted for the Atari ST is that they are double-sided, double-density disks meaning that you'll get about half the capacity of a standard high density disk (720KB vs 1.44MB).

    Also, don't expect Ubuntu to read all of the disks because although the ST could format disks to the MSDOS 3.3 standard, many disks were formatted to an extended capacity (I regularly formatted disks to 820KB with no problems).
    I don't mind having a smaller disk size, since i'm only really wanting to copy a small program to floppy to run on my Atari ST.
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    Re: External USB Floppy Drive

    I wonder what's not working there.
    lshal | less
    will show you the hal(hardware abstraction layer) devices. I'm quite curious what the details are from /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_TEAC_TEAC_FD_05PUW (that is your floppy drive)
    also lsusb will show you your usb-devices
    lsusb -v -d [ID]
    will show you the details of that particular usb device, you can copy the ID from the result of the first lsusb. Could you post that data here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinbaselier View Post
    I wonder what's not working there.
    lshal | less
    will show you the hal(hardware abstraction layer) devices. I'm quite curious what the details are from /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_TEAC_TEAC_FD_05PUW (that is your floppy drive)
    also lsusb will show you your usb-devices
    lsusb -v -d [ID]
    will show you the details of that particular usb device, you can copy the ID from the result of the first lsusb. Could you post that data here?
    Code:
    lindsell@****UP:~$ lsusb
    Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
    Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0644:0000 TEAC Corp. Floppy
    Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
    Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
    Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0d49:7410 Maxtor 
    Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
    lindsell@****UP:~$ lsusb -v -d 0644:0000
    
    Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0644:0000 TEAC Corp. Floppy
    Device Descriptor:
      bLength                18
      bDescriptorType         1
      bcdUSB               2.00
      bDeviceClass            0 (Defined at Interface level)
      bDeviceSubClass         0 
      bDeviceProtocol         0 
      bMaxPacketSize0         8
      idVendor           0x0644 TEAC Corp.
      idProduct          0x0000 Floppy
      bcdDevice            0.00
      iManufacturer           1 
      iProduct                2 
      iSerial                 0 
      bNumConfigurations      1
      Configuration Descriptor:
        bLength                 9
        bDescriptorType         2
        wTotalLength           39
        bNumInterfaces          1
        bConfigurationValue     1
        iConfiguration          0 
        bmAttributes         0x80
          (Bus Powered)
        MaxPower              500mA
        Interface Descriptor:
          bLength                 9
          bDescriptorType         4
          bInterfaceNumber        0
          bAlternateSetting       0
          bNumEndpoints           3
          bInterfaceClass         8 Mass Storage
          bInterfaceSubClass      4 Floppy (UFI)
          bInterfaceProtocol      0 Control/Bulk/Interrupt
          iInterface              0 
          Endpoint Descriptor:
            bLength                 7
            bDescriptorType         5
            bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
            bmAttributes            2
              Transfer Type            Bulk
              Synch Type               None
              Usage Type               Data
            wMaxPacketSize     0x0040  1x 64 bytes
            bInterval               0
          Endpoint Descriptor:
            bLength                 7
            bDescriptorType         5
            bEndpointAddress     0x02  EP 2 OUT
            bmAttributes            2
              Transfer Type            Bulk
              Synch Type               None
              Usage Type               Data
            wMaxPacketSize     0x0040  1x 64 bytes
            bInterval               0
          Endpoint Descriptor:
            bLength                 7
            bDescriptorType         5
            bEndpointAddress     0x83  EP 3 IN
            bmAttributes            3
              Transfer Type            Interrupt
              Synch Type               None
              Usage Type               Data
            wMaxPacketSize     0x0002  1x 2 bytes
            bInterval              32
    can't get device qualifier: Operation not permitted
    can't get debug descriptor: Operation not permitted
    cannot read device status, Operation not permitted (1)
    Do you want me to post all of lshal | less or just find the floppy part? I'm scanning it now...quite a long list. Is there a command so I can dump the list to a TXT file to copy it easily?
    Last edited by fugazi32; February 11th, 2009 at 05:16 PM. Reason: What's a reason?
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    Exclamation Re: External USB Floppy Drive

    Bump!
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    Re: External USB Floppy Drive

    lshal > hal.txt will output to txt; only the part about the floppy is necessary.
    FYI: usually if you don't get permission, you'll need root access; putting sudo before a command will give you this.

    EDIT: did a bit of searching on your usb-ID, apparently a usb floppy will be mounted on the sd,, range, unlike an internal floppy drive.
    You have disks in the sda and the sdc range. Will gparted not show you disks in other ranges ?
    Last edited by martinbaselier; February 12th, 2009 at 11:17 AM.

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