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    ext4 default fs in fedora 11

    According to current plans, version 11 of Fedora, which is expected to arrive in late May, will use Ext4 as its standard file system
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    Re: ext4 default fs in fedora 11

    errr....okay.
    if this was an attempt to convince people we need ext4 enabled in jaunty....doubt it will make too much difference. different distros make different decisions, thats what makes them different.

    if this was an attempt to make conversation....i really have no way to respond to "fedora 11 is gonna use ext4" is by replying "okaaaaaay".


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    Re: ext4 default fs in fedora 11

    Out of interest, if on release day, i was to upgrade to jaunty, will my filesystem remain ext3? Or will it change over to ext4? In order to change, would i be right in thinking i would have to reinstall Ubuntu fully?
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    Smile Re: ext4 default fs in fedora 11

    You can convert your system over manually, you can opt to install as ext4 or you can just stay with ext3--we are having ext4 as a option until it settles down a bit more.....some people have been having data loss & that needs to be pinned down before it becomes the default.
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    Re: ext4 default fs in fedora 11

    1) Ext4 is a diferent filesystem. Not a a bug release of ext3.

    2) The format of partion never change when we do one upgrade..
    To change it, we have to change it manualy(converting, formating).

    3) In Jaunty ext4 will not be the default choice..

    4) You never have to reinstall Ubuntu fully when do one upgrade. (despite being recommended)
    Last edited by int; January 22nd, 2009 at 05:03 PM.

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    Re: ext4 default fs in fedora 11

    Ehm...

    According to current plans, version 9.04 of Ubuntu, which is expected to arrive in late April, will use Ext3 as its standard file system. However everyone can use Ext4 if he or she wants.

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    Re: ext4 default fs in fedora 11

    Fedora is always an early adopter. Fedora 9 (May 2008) featured KDE4 (as the *only* KDE), and the new GDM which Ubuntu still doesn't use. Fedora 10 features Plymouth, OpenOffice 3 and supposedly they almost made ext4 default for this release too (it was an option -- which I chose). Fedora 11 is also going to include an option to use btrfs.

    If you want to test out new, maybe buggy software Fedora is definitely the distro for you. Ubuntu on the other hand aims at stability and user-friendliness so I doubt ext4 will be the default.

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    Re: ext4 default fs in fedora 11

    Quote Originally Posted by Simian Man View Post
    Fedora is always an early adopter. Fedora 9 (May 2008) featured KDE4 (as the *only* KDE), and the new GDM which Ubuntu still doesn't use. Fedora 10 features Plymouth, OpenOffice 3 and supposedly they almost made ext4 default for this release too (it was an option -- which I chose). Fedora 11 is also going to include an option to use btrfs.

    If you want to test out new, maybe buggy software Fedora is definitely the distro for you. Ubuntu on the other hand aims at stability and user-friendliness so I doubt ext4 will be the default.
    On the other hand, knowing the facts about EXT4 and why there was 2 or 3 times it had a missing piece would help those that what to use it get there with confidence rather that believing a few posters that have not installed with the latest bits.

    I have used EXT4 in Fedora since 9.
    There was only 3 times there was a problem.
    1. The transition from k-25 to k26 - newly created (not install ) ext4 from k-25 would get zapped by the k-26 bits.

    2. Two bug fixes for handling free space within the extend.

    3. More EXT4 bits included in K-28 needed another fix in e2fsprogs.

    I am much more concerned about the Debian installer using ext2 on thousands of /boot f/s.
    I can't tell you how many time the journal was used to recovery my systems and the /boot also.
    It should be defaulted to ext3.

    I also use LVM and SELinux and there is lots of horror stories there that have nothing to do with the facts.


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    Last edited by SlowJet; January 22nd, 2009 at 09:13 PM.

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    Re: ext4 default fs in fedora 11

    C/P from Fedora's Website. Wish we had a features page!!

    Fedora 11 Accepted Features

    These features have been accepted by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee for the Fedora 11 Release.

    Category:FeatureAcceptedF11
    % Complete Name Summary Updated
    0% 20 Second Startup Make Fedora boot and shut down faster. The goal is to be at the login screen in 20 seconds and be as fast as possible after the login (gnome-session). 2008-12-17
    80% Cups PolicyKit Integration Use PolicyKit to define policies for accessing the cups functionality 2009-01-20
    75% DeviceKit A simple system service to manage devices designed to partially replace hal and overcome some its design limitiations 2009-01-21
    80% DNS Security DNSSEC (DNS SECurity) is mechanism which can prove integrity and autenticity of DNS data 2009-01-18
    90% ext4 Default file system Make ext4 the default file system in Fedora 11 2009-01-12
    95 % Fingerprint Make fingerprint readers easy to use as secondary authentication 2008-12-08
    5% Gnome 2.26 Rebase to Gnome 2.26 2009-01-20
    20% KDE4.2 Rebase to KDE 4.2 and KOffice 2, and offer new features such as PolicyKit-KDE, NetworkManager plasma applet etc. 2009-01-13
    2% Multiseat Make it simple to configure a system for multiseat operation, where two or more users each have their own keyboard, monitor, and mouse, and can work independently of each other 2008-11-18
    90% Presto The presto plugin for yum adds support for downloading deltarpms and using them to generate new packages 2008-09-09
    45% Python 2.6 Include Python 2.6 in Fedora 2009-01-18
    80% TightVNC Make TightVNC the default VNC client in Fedora 2008-10-17
    80% VolumeControl Make volume control intuitive and easy to use 2008-12-08
    20% Windows Cross-compiler Build and test full-featured Windows programs, from the comfort of the Fedora system, without needing to use Windows. 2009-01-18
    75% Xfce4.6 Update Xfce to the upstream 4.6 release with many new improvements and features 2009-01-19

    So you can see Ext4 WILL be default in F-11.

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    Re: ext4 default fs in fedora 11

    Yes, and that means a /boot of ext3 with an LVM of 2 LV's for / and swap.
    Mostly for newbies and mostly for expose ext4 more without the newbie knowing anything. Because it is Fedora. And the default install is not really a serious layout or upgrade path.

    But the custom install dropdownbox on the installer allows whatever. Supposable even BTRFS will be in the F11 Alpha installer.

    But when one is talking about converting ext3 to ext4, it depends on what (Kernel, e2fsprogs) and when (kernel 28.n newest e2fsprogs), and how(tunefs, debugfs options) you convert it.

    SJ
    Last edited by SlowJet; January 22nd, 2009 at 10:09 PM.

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