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Thread: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

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    Re: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

    CTRL-ALT-DEL brings up the taskmanager in Windows. Backspace is the next thing you try if you dont see something like a taskmanager showing up. The meaning of Del and Backspace is close, and so are the keys.

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    Re: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Npl View Post
    CTRL-ALT-DEL brings up the taskmanager in Windows. Backspace is the next thing you try if you dont see something like a taskmanager showing up. The meaning of Del and Backspace is close, and so are the keys.
    ?

    Uh... sorry, that's a stretch. With that kind of logic we should be disabling all kinds of things.

    I suppose the next key they'd try is ESC, which should launch xkill and then they might screw up the session clicking on the desktop and killing whatever is drawing the desktop, or killing whatever app they have up. So I guess ctrl-alt-esc needs to be disabled.

    Next they'll be trying F1, since it's right next to ESC, which would put them in a VT. They'd of course assume that they killed their GUI and broke their computer in some terrible way and have no idea how to get back to the desktop, and probably hard reset the box. So we need to ditch VT's and only run X sessions.

    Let's see, what's next... CTRL-ALT-Right? That'll switch desktops in compiz. Since our hypothetical user doesn't grok anything but Windows-ese, they've probably never seen multiple desktops before. Switching like this will confuse them and they'll inadvertently format their hard drive trying to fix it.

    This is the exact problem I'm talking about earlier with catering to a hypothetical user -- particularly a hypothetically ignorant user. You can make them as hypothetically ignorant as they need to be to justify any kind of feature-removal or lockdown. Whether or not this particular change is a good idea or not on other grounds, that justification has got to go.

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    Re: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

    Quote Originally Posted by peter76 View Post
    that's my emergency exit for a hanging session.... Leave it where it is!
    +1.
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    Re: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

    Quote Originally Posted by lykwydchykyn View Post
    ?

    Uh... sorry, that's a stretch. With that kind of logic we should be disabling all kinds of things.

    I suppose the next key they'd try is ESC, which should launch xkill and then they might screw up the session clicking on the desktop and killing whatever is drawing the desktop, or killing whatever app they have up. So I guess ctrl-alt-esc needs to be disabled.

    Next they'll be trying F1, since it's right next to ESC, which would put them in a VT. They'd of course assume that they killed their GUI and broke their computer in some terrible way and have no idea how to get back to the desktop, and probably hard reset the box. So we need to ditch VT's and only run X sessions.

    Let's see, what's next... CTRL-ALT-Right? That'll switch desktops in compiz. Since our hypothetical user doesn't grok anything but Windows-ese, they've probably never seen multiple desktops before. Switching like this will confuse them and they'll inadvertently format their hard drive trying to fix it.

    This is the exact problem I'm talking about earlier with catering to a hypothetical user -- particularly a hypothetically ignorant user. You can make them as hypothetically ignorant as they need to be to justify any kind of feature-removal or lockdown. Whether or not this particular change is a good idea or not on other grounds, that justification has got to go.
    Put perfectly.

    Ctrl-Alt-Backspace has saved my behind numerous times.

    Maybe they should do a branch called Stupuntu for stupid users and leave main Ubuntu non-dumbed down?

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    Re: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

    Dontzap was to come and bailout inexperienced users to enable the action, but somehow it was removed from ubuntu, at the moment...

    Code:
    gnome-control-center
    Version: 1:2.25.3-0ubuntu3
    Distribution: jaunty
    Urgency: low
    
    * debian/control.in, debian/control:
        - revert recommend on dontzap

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    Re: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

    Quote Originally Posted by jerome1232 View Post
    I don't get how people hit ctrl+alt+backspace it's not a key combo on any other os lol!
    It's NEVER (alt-SysRq) worked on my system.
    Last edited by DougieFresh4U; January 30th, 2009 at 10:00 PM.
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    Re: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

    Quote Originally Posted by inportb View Post
    Hm... I think we need a specific combo just to kill Firefox; it's annoying as hell
    Alt-F2, X+K+I+L+L+Enter, LMB.
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    Re: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

    Quote Originally Posted by taavikko View Post
    Dontzap was to come and bailout inexperienced users to enable the action, but somehow it was removed from ubuntu, at the moment...

    Code:
    gnome-control-center
    Version: 1:2.25.3-0ubuntu3
    Distribution: jaunty
    Urgency: low
    
    * debian/control.in, debian/control:
        - revert recommend on dontzap
    Well....

    Ubuntu 2009...

    Mybe its better to take a look at this "Le grande mess"...

    http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=326

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    Re: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

    Quote Originally Posted by DougieFresh4U View Post
    It's NEVER (alt-SysRq) worked on my system.
    Have you checked your F Lock-key ?

    On my keyboard I must disable F-Lock and then SysRq works

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    Re: POLL: Do you want to have CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE disabled in Jaunty?

    I'm surprised this was actually an upstream change, as most dumbing down would be thanks to Ubuntu themselves. I'm sure that upstream have their reasons, but I don't think it's reasonable to change things like this so suddenly.
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