Forums properties and methods

[mattheweast]

Ok I will open a ticket thanks for your comments.

Sorry, forgot to say: file it against ubuntu-docs.

One question, would it be more accurate to say that these were the official Anglophone Ubuntu Forums?

Well I don't think it makes a lot of difference, "English" in this case refers to the language

[lerrup]

I realised that when I reread your post! Sorry everyone for appearing just a tad pedantic. *cough*

[Seth]

Much official Ubuntu work is being done by unpaid volunteers. But that's one thing.

To be constructive, I see two ways ahead for the forums:

1) Remain official - all moderators must sign and abide with the Ubuntu code of conduct, and moderation should be light-handed and only directed against obvious trolls and spammers.
2) Go unofficial - it should be made clear from the layout, that these forums are not an official part of Ubuntu.

Personally, I'd prefer 1), but 2) would be another obvious solution. That would make the mailing lists and IRC channels the only "real" Ubuntu communication channels, and that would avoid confusion.

That's a very good idea, agger. I think that on an official forum, all staff should at least be Ubunteros (have signed the Code of Conduct) and all admins should be Ubuntu Members (approved by the Community Council). I'll add that to the CC agenda

[mattheweast]

I think that on an official forum, all staff should at least be Ubunteros (have signed the Code of Conduct) and all admins should be Ubuntu Members (approved by the Community Council). I'll add that to the CC agenda

That is an interesting idea, which I would tend to agree with. I believe it has been discussed in the past. However, if it can be agreed without recourse to the CC, I see no need to bother them with it by putting it on the Agenda. Many Ubuntu teams establish this sort of requirements without recourse to the CC.

[ubuntu-geek]

That's a very good idea, agger. I think that on an official forum, all staff should at least be Ubunteros (have signed the Code of Conduct) and all admins should be Ubuntu Members (approved by the Community Council). I'll add that to the CC agenda

The three admins of this site are Ubuntu members and have been approved.. Just a FYI

[Seth]

Right, I was aware of that.

[mlomker]

The three admins of this site are Ubuntu members and have been approved.. Just a FYI

I signed it before I became a mod. I'm not sure exactly what the CC piece would entail. Is it akin to the line when you get married 'speak now or forever hold your peace?'

[KiwiNZ]

That's a very good idea, agger. I think that on an official forum, all staff should at least be Ubunteros (have signed the Code of Conduct) and all admins should be Ubuntu Members (approved by the Community Council). I'll add that to the CC agenda

Why?

[jdong]

Why?

I guess because signing the document officially (geez I hate using that word nowadays) binds their actions to the CoC... Though the kind of people we put up as staff would do so on their own anyway.

[macgyver2]

Thanks for an in-depth and clearly well-thought out reply.

If we are truly official then we need to be known as that from the ubuntu side.

#1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums - Does not label us as official.

#2: When starting up Firefox in ubuntu the main page the user first gets does not even mention the forums the last time I checked it does however mention the Wiki, IRC and Mailing Lists. If we are an official method of support we should be listed there as well.

I agree...this is something that needs to be addressed (probably to the CC).

#3: We need to have policy in place on the ubuntu side to protect the forums it has been stated before the current policy and CoC doesnt do a very good job of protecting or upholding the forum policy.

Okay...I'm not sure I understand. You're referring to a CoC and policy addendum, not superceding the CoC and current policy, right?

#4: As I have said for over a year now and have requested multiple times more involvement from some of the CC members or staff at Ubuntu would be nice on this forum it would be nice to see a balance. By participating in the discussions here the understanding of how the forums differ from IRC and Mailing Lists would be prominent.

This is something that bothers me about the CC...instead of the seats being occupied by random members it would make more sense to me for each seat to be occupied by a member from each of the main areas of the whole Ubuntu proper. I realize there's not much you can do about that, at least directly...I was just musing.

I need to make a comment on this as it was done on the forums however the project KB is working on is his. I don't see a reason to alienate him for wanting to offer choice, I am however not up on all the drama surrounding the project and the Doc team. Personal feelings and rude comments aside is his project hurting anything? None that I can see.

Well, this thread has provided some clarification. However, now your statement brings up another question. Is the Doc KingBahamuts project or is this a forums project? We've been told (earlier in the thread) that it's a forum project. Now you seem to imply that it's a personal project. I'm once again a bit confused.

The first part your your comment I address above I think. For the second part the staff forum section will not be made open its a means of communication between the administrator and forum staff that doesn't pretain to anyone else. That would be like saying ok post all your PM's and Email's online for everyone to see. The staff section is that a staff section and there isn't need for any further discussion on the topic I will not change my stance.

Here is where it looks like we simply differ in philosophy. I'll leave it alone.


Thanks again for such a good reply, ubuntu-geek. It's really appreciated.


Note: I started this reply about half-an-hour after ubuntu-geek posted and had to leave in the middle. I'm posting it without looking what else was posting between the time I started and now.