Not at all happy! 8.10 - Keeps getting worse.

[Sef]

Originally Posted by hooper No reason whatsoever for Ubuntu to put this out as a release in the current state and certainly no reason for it's continued decline in functionality.

Ubuntu is a timed release distro. It releases a new distro every six months. It impossible to get all the bugs ironed out for every possible combination of hardware.

[I wanted to leave]

Originally Posted by Sef Ubuntu is a timed release distro. It releases a new distro every six months. It impossible to get all the bugs ironed out for every possible combination of hardware.

With respect, that's like blaming the cows, and not the vendor when the milk's gone off.

[liveB]

Like others have noted, I too have converted to Ubuntu only to be disappointed. I almost gave up until Hardy came out, I've been running rock stable for about 4 months, all issues seemed fixed or close-to.

I don't know what happened, but about the time Ibex came out my Hardy blew up! Too many problems to list, I'm now running on a fresh install from CD (drive format, etc...). Now I'm wondering if I'm just too stupid to own a computer or what? My internet access is down around 2kbps and anything I'd like to do will take about 2 days to download!

I don't think my system has any unusual hardware and I'm flummoxed. I feel like I need a flow chart to walk me through each piece of hardware and the command prompts I need to fix it so it "just works". How hard is it to keep debian working, I wonder? Should I try other distros, or is this problem systemic? WTF!

Ed

ASUS p5ne-sli, Intell q6600 c2q, Nvidia 8600GT 256MB, 4GB 800MHZ memory, 2x SATA lightscribe, 2x SATA HDD, Ultra MD3, Ubuntu Hardy 64bit
Network: 2 PCs connected to Belkin G router (this PC and Brother printer-scanner ethernet, other PC wireless) to cable through Scientific Atlanta modem. **test shows I should be at about 700Mbps**

[exploder]

A general rule of thumb is to wait a couple of months after a new release so that most of the bugs are worked out. Intrepid at least has less bugs than Hardy did when first released. Submitting and contributing to bug reports also has a positive effect on releases.

[steveneddy]

Here we go again.....another new user thinking that they know what to expect out of a operating system then they try and update.

Happens every time there is an update.

If you have .debs, get-debs or software that is not in the repos, including video drivers, installed before you update, then you must get rid of this software before upgrading or the upgrade will fail.

Those of us who have been doing this for a few releases (me=6+) then you will discover that the easiest way to upgrade to a new version and have as few issues as possible is to backup the /home directory and do a total re-install.

It only takes 30 minutes to do a total re-install and a little more time to get your other software re-installed.

Any OS will reveal these same issues upon installation and a new install must be dealt with accordingly.

[RawMustard]

Originally Posted by animaniac mmm, I heard fixing that is the plan for 9.04.

It's been the plan since warty and yet?
Same with the poo brown theme, just empty talk!

[wolfen69]

Originally Posted by steveneddy Those of us who have been doing this for a few releases (me=6+) then you will discover that the easiest way to upgrade to a new version and have as few issues as possible is to backup the /home directory and do a total re-install. It only takes 30 minutes to do a total re-install and a little more time to get your other software re-installed.

most people are too %#@*&^ to realize this. even though most people are happy with the new release, it must be junk if it doesn't work perfect on every pc in the world. here we go again.

instead of bitching, people should be helping out by submitting bug reports. that's how something gets better. linux gets better by people helping, not complaining. and if you don't want to help, use something else.

[I wanted to leave]

Originally Posted by wolfen69 most people are too %#@*&^ to realize this. even though most people are happy with the new release, it must be junk if it doesn't work perfect on every pc in the world. here we go again. instead of bitching, people should be helping out by submitting bug reports. that's how something gets better. linux gets better by people helping, not complaining. and if you don't want to help, use something else.

Here we go again is right!

In my case I did do a complete re-install.
I also don't use software not in the repo's.
And as for bug reports, I tried that route but the response I got to a legitimate bug was, sorry "not interested" basically.

So I ask you, with that attitude, How does Ubuntu improve?

There's always a flood of users of this forum with thousands of posts to their credit defending release after release of Ubuntu.

RawMustard's on the mark IMO, it's just empty talk

[ugm6hr]

Originally Posted by bra10n There's always a flood of users of this forum with thousands of posts to their credit defending release after release of Ubuntu.

Ask them why.

The benefit of using truly free software is choice. If you don't agree with the Ubuntu principles, choose something else.

Ubuntu is not bleeding edge, but neither is it ultra-stable. If you want something else along this spectrum, you can choose an older Ubuntu release, use Debian stable, or Slackware (for stability), or pick something even more bleeding edge (and fallible).

I actually fit into the former category - hence I'm still on Hardy. My choice. I (presumably like you) don't have the energy to sort out bugs on my system. But I also won't be complaining about Intrepid's shortcomings, since I realise the amount of testing that is possible within the last few months following a feature-freeze is limited, so bugs will exist in the "final" version.

You may argue that this should not be the case in a "final" OS. Unfortunately, the people that make these decisions (i.e. developers) don't agree with you. Surprisingly enough, they have managed to create the fastest growing and largest user-base Linux distro in 4 years; so clearly they are doing something right.

The "here we go again" attitude merely represents the fact that the same issues are apparent at each new release, and those of us who have been around for long enough just find it boring.

[Crafty Kisses]

Originally Posted by Steve1961 I've read lots of similar posts every time a new release happens, and I've been using Ubuntu since Hoary. At the moment I'm running Hardy and when that was first released there were lots of problems, but now it's rock solid on all my machines. Intrepid will also improve as updates are released to fix bugs, but that will probably take a month or so. So if you need a solid production system right now you should stick with Hardy. That's what I intend to do for the next couple of months, and then I'll upgrade once some of the rough edges have been ironed out. If you can't resist the temptation to run the latest and greatest as soon as it's released, then be prepared for some glitches.

Exactly, once the updates come out and what not, Intrepid will be fairly solid.