A Carafe of Ubuntu
I doubt it matters much in the entire scheme of things. The word "christian" alone might sway some people, being that, especially here in bible belt of the united states, the sunday christians talk the bejeezus out of the talk, and like to keep up appearances, being the shallow naive folks that they are.
As long as ubuntu management is alright with them using the name, I don't really see a problem. Don't want Ubuntu - Christian Edition? Don't download it.
Now where's my hedonistic ubuntu?
Just Give Me the Beans!
I'm sorry but I really need to voice my opinion about this:
- A distro fork just doesn't make sense. A much easier way is to package whatever apps, artwork, reference material, etc, that are needed for your project and let users add them as desired.
- The forked version is much more susceptible to the introduction of security flaws like "man in middle" attacks and compromised public keys. Many christians would justify "rooting" another's machine if it meant "saving" them from porn and sites (i.e.: by using privoxy to block) that do not agree with the rooter's christian point of view.
- Many christians use their religion as a tool of oppression and to financially enrich themselves.
- In many parts of the world christians and christianity are seen as a virus who's main goal is to replace the indigenous nonchristian religion by whatever means available like the "baseball baptisms" ("Want to play baseball with us? You need to be baptized first") in South America.
- There is no god or gods. There isn't. There has never, ever been one shred of proof of any deity. Most likely the idea of "jesus" is also a myth and no such person ever lived. They're myths that have gone horribly, horribly wrong that at times have promoted zealots and the mentally unbalanced into positions of power. Just look at President Bush and US Senator Santorum (R-PA).
- A forked version is much more likely to confuse some people into thinking that Ubuntu "prefers" christianity over other religions.
- A christian fork is the quickest way to get any version Ubuntu banned in some Middle Eastern and Asian countries. One fatwa, the ban is a done deal and we all lose.
IMO do what you want but please consider building your distro off the Debian base instead of using the fine work of the Ubuntu team and the fine "Ubuntu Linux" name to promote your myths. I truly do not mean to offend you. I truly don't. I believe in religious freedom and the right to be free from religion for all people.
Maybe many of the comments made in this thread should serve as a warning that using the Ubuntu name to promote any religion will drive a wedge into an otherwise solid community.
This whole thread seems like it might belong in the Backyard. Some would say your posting is a thinly veiled attempt to proselytize due to the lack of any meaningful technical questions.
costoa
(Donning fireproof suit ...)
Just Give Me the Beans!
In reply Redcard said:Originally Posted by NewWaves
"Please leave"? Dude, that's just rude and hardly "christian". Maybe you should apologize? WWJD?
Gee! These Aren't Roasted!
First off, I'm not christian.
Second off, Jesus kicked the money changers out of the temple by FORCE because they did not belong. Similarly, you don't belong in this thread, a thread discussing the technical aspects of a version of Ubuntu that Canonical already gave their blessing to. Jesus would tell you to go screw yourself but he does not seem to be monitoring this thread.
Get LOST. The admins have told you trollers to get out. The thread originator has told you to. NOW, I'm telling you too. Seriously, mods, can we start to get some bans and suspensions here?
Just Give Me the Beans!
Your post has been reported as harassing and it is most offensive I have ever read on ubuntuforums.org. Your comments are in juxtaposition to the Ubuntu philosophy. This site has been a great resource and a friendly place up to now.
Amazing, just amazing.
Gee! These Aren't Roasted!
And again, as I repeat. Various forum moderators and staff have come in to this thread and asked this to cease. The thread was initially split into TWO to avoid this. You can report me as offensive all you want, it has been asked repeatedly that your type of posts cease, and you have ignored the instructions and commands of the forum staff.
In short, sir, I am offensive because we tried the nice nice. Now we're doing it in a way that is less kind and more business like. Your post is nothing more than off topic drivel.
RC
Ubuntu Cappuccino Scuro
You have said some pretty offensive things, yourself, to people who have used their freedom of choice to be Christians. You have the right to your opinion, and so do Christians. There actually have been a lot of posts discussing technical things such as what software to add, graphical suggestions, etc. Most of the posts that are not technical are from people who oppose this project which is their right, but also a view that takes away from a Christian's freedom to use Free software in the way that he/she chooses. If you don't believe in having separate editions of Ubuntu, then maybe you should express your opinion on threads about Kubuntu, Edubuntu, etc. This isn't the only one.
First Cup of Ubuntu
I for one hope that Canonical doesn't back this "Christbuntu", as it is opening up a very bad can of worms. There's no real need for it, and it would be saying to the world that Canonical aligns itself specifically to Christians. No doubt, then, others will come forward with their own versions and cry foul if Canonical doesn't back them.
Why not just show christains how to install their much needed bible study programs and leave it at that?
Gee! These Aren't Roasted!
A metapackage was discussed.. however, the end result is that for mission trips and the like, it would be far more of use for people to have a live cd + install kit that contains all the software necessary. That way, we can distribute this to people who don't require a high speed or simimlar internet connection to obtain the software.
Gee! These Aren't Roasted!
This has been discussed and dismissed, and you are too late in your hopes that Canonical doesn't back this. Apparently they believe in exactly what their philosophy says, that people should be allowed to use this software for whatever purpose they desire.
Freedom isn't about supporting only the things you approve of. Canonical understands how this distribution and release can help others.
Please take all dissent of this outside this thread. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the technical applications, suggestions, and what not of this project that _IS_ _GOING_ _FORWARD_ _WITH_ _PERMISSION_.
Thanks.
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