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    Flashback (no effects) session unusable in Ubuntu GNOME

    I've been trying to figure this out for a few days w/o success

    The "flashback (no effects)" session works perfectly in both Ubuntu and Edubuntu, which makes sense since the Edubuntu devs need to support "flashback" for their LTSP project. But installing that session in Ubuntu GNOME results in an unusable desktop.

    The menus and windows just don't react in even a remotely normal way, I'll post some screenshots:

    Screenshot from 2013-10-26 12:49:14.jpgScreenshot from 2013-10-26 12:49:38.jpgScreenshot from 2013-10-26 12:50:06.jpgScreenshot from 2013-10-26 12:51:01.jpg

    I'm really at a loss here so any suggestions would be appreciated.

    Oh, I have tried a fresh user profile with no success.

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    Re: Flashback (no effects) session unusable in Ubuntu GNOME

    A wild guess this. Most likely so wild as to be wrong. Are you using Nouveau? There is a subset of Nouveau called llvmpipe that Ubuntu uses when a video adapter is not able to run what was once called Unity 3D. It is what we get now when we use Recovery>Resume. Llvmpipe makes an acceptable presentation but it is noticeable that screen moves are not so snappy.

    I was just wondering what the purpose of Gnome Fallback/Flashback is for, apart from giving some people the desktop look that they like, that is. Did it not originally have a similar purpose to Unity 2D? As a fallback mode?

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    Re: Flashback (no effects) session unusable in Ubuntu GNOME

    Quote Originally Posted by grahammechanical View Post
    A wild guess this. Most likely so wild as to be wrong. Are you using Nouveau? There is a subset of Nouveau called llvmpipe that Ubuntu uses when a video adapter is not able to run what was once called Unity 3D. It is what we get now when we use Recovery>Resume. Llvmpipe makes an acceptable presentation but it is noticeable that screen moves are not so snappy.

    I was just wondering what the purpose of Gnome Fallback/Flashback is for, apart from giving some people the desktop look that they like, that is. Did it not originally have a similar purpose to Unity 2D? As a fallback mode?

    Regards.
    No Nouveau, the hardware used is:

    Intel Atom CPU 230 @ 1.60GHz
    Intel 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
    Intel N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
    Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)
    2GB DDR2 RAM
    And the flashback session is needed for Edubuntu's LTSP installs.

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    Re: Flashback (no effects) session unusable in Ubuntu GNOME

    I went ahead and raised this issue on the mailing list:

    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...er/001063.html

    Then I filed a bug report:

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...s/+bug/1245209

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    Re: Flashback (no effects) session unusable in Ubuntu GNOME

    I haven't used flashback, but have you tried gnome-tweak-tool:
    Tweak Tool -> Shell Extensions -> [click on]Applications menu + [click on] Places status indicator

    I like the look and feel compared to old gnome.
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    Re: Flashback (no effects) session unusable in Ubuntu GNOME

    Quote Originally Posted by VMC View Post
    I haven't used flashback, but have you tried gnome-tweak-tool:
    Tweak Tool -> Shell Extensions -> [click on]Applications menu + [click on] Places status indicator

    I like the look and feel compared to old gnome.
    I actually find the gnome-shell default DE quite pleasant to use in Ubuntu GNOME with very few tweaks, but I maintain over 40 individual PC's and some users still want a truly "classic" DE. I've been able to move many to Lubuntu but some still want a truly GNOME experience circa version 2, and I don't like Mate.

    In this case it's simply a matter of figuring out why the "flashback (no effects)" session works OK in Ubuntu and Edubuntu, but not in Ubuntu GNOME.

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    Re: Flashback (no effects) session unusable in Ubuntu GNOME

    I was playing again this AM and found that using lightdm with lightdm-gtk-greeter allows me to boot to a usable flashback (no effects) session.

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    Re: Flashback (no effects) session unusable in Ubuntu GNOME

    I don't use it, but the other day installed it on Saucy just to show people this can be done.It worked but with one strange issue. The cursor froze whenever I switched user and back (so me -> guest user ok but guest use -> me cursor freezes) Well this is nouveau and it has that problem sometimes and usually (though not always) can get out of that with ctrl+alt+f7/8, but with gnome flashback installed it happens 100% of the time almost and the key combo doesn't work. Removed it and now back to normal.

    You maybe interested in testing it out.

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    Re: Flashback (no effects) session unusable in Ubuntu GNOME

    Yea, its nouveau for sure. Using gnome I have to install nvidia drivers or it will at undetermined times freeze using nouveau. Using Xubuntu and nouveau, it only happens using Abiword. It must be related to my integrated video. I have several bug reports on the subject.
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    Re: Flashback (no effects) session unusable in Ubuntu GNOME

    Quote Originally Posted by VMC View Post
    Yea, its nouveau for sure. Using gnome I have to install nvidia drivers or it will at undetermined times freeze using nouveau. Using Xubuntu and nouveau, it only happens using Abiword. It must be related to my integrated video. I have several bug reports on the subject.
    No freezing with nouveau accept for switching user and that happens a lot more frequently with gnome-session-flashback installed than otherwise. Except for that nouveau is actually smoother than the Nivdia blob in many ways on my system. I have not tested if this (freezing when switch user with flashback installed) with the Nvidia driver.

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