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    Trouble formatting blank hard drive

    I have a 250 GB laptop hard drive that I wasn't using in a laptop, so I decided to get an enclosure and use it as an external.

    When I connected it, I ran the partition manager and deleted all the partitions, intending to format it as NTFS or some other format. However, there is a problem creating a new partition, no matter which format is used. (I'm currently using the KDE partition manager but I've also tried gparted and the same issue arises.)

    The first image shows what the drive looks like before trying to add a new partition. I next try to add a partition. Let's try formatting as EXT4, primary. See the second image. When I try to apply that operation, here is the result:

    Code:
    Create a new partition (232.88 GiB, ext4) on ‘/dev/sdf’ 
    Job: Create new partition on device ‘/dev/sdf’ 
    Create new partition ‘/dev/sdf1’: Success
    
    Job: Create file system ext4 on partition ‘/dev/sdf1’ 
    Command: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdf1 
    mke2fs 1.42 (29-Nov-2011)
    Filesystem label=
    OS type: Linux
    Block size=4096 (log=2)
    Fragment size=4096 (log=2)
    Stride=0 blocks, Stripe width=0 blocks
    15269888 inodes, 61049000 blocks
    3052450 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
    First data block=0
    Maximum filesystem blocks=4294967296
    1864 block groups
    32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group
    8192 inodes per group
    Superblock backups stored on blocks: 
    	32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 2654208, 
    	4096000, 7962624, 11239424, 20480000, 23887872
    
    Allocating group tables:    0/1864   1/1864   2/1864   3/1864   4/1864   5/1864   6/1864   7/1864   8/1864   9/1864  10/1864  11/1864  12/1864  13/1864  14/1864  15/1864  16/1864  17/1864  18/1864  19/1864  20/1864  21/1864  22/1864  23/1864  24/1864  25/1864  26/1864  27/1864  28/1864  29/1864  30/1864  31/1864  32/1864  33/1864  34/1864  35/1864  36/1864  37/1864  38/1864  39/1864  40/1864  41/1864  42/1864  43/1864  44/1864  45/1864  46/1864  47/1864  48/1864  49/1864  50/1864  51/1864  52/1864  53/1864  54/1864  55/1864  56/1864  57/1864  58/1864  59/1864  60/1864  61/1864  62/1864  63/1864  64/1864  65/1864  66/1864  67/1864  68/1864  69/1864  70/1864  71/1864  72/1864  73/1864  74/1864  75/1864  76/1864  77/1864  78/1864  79/1864  80/1864  81/1864  82/1864  83/1864  84/1864  85/1864  86/1864  87/1864  88/1864  89/1864  90/1864  91/1864  92/1864  93/1864  94/1864  95/1864  96/1864  97/1864  98/1864  99/1864 100/1864 101/1864 102/1864 103/1864 104/1864 105/1864 106/1864 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        done
     
    Create file system ext4 on partition ‘/dev/sdf1’: Success
    
    Job: Set the file system label on partition ‘/dev/sdf1’ to "" 
    Command: e2label /dev/sdf1 
    /sbin/e2label: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdf1
    Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. 
    Set the file system label on partition ‘/dev/sdf1’ to "": Success
    
    Job: Check file system on partition ‘/dev/sdf1’ 
    Command: e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sdf1 
    e2fsck 1.42 (29-Nov-2011)
    /sbin/e2fsck: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
    /sbin/e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdf1
    
    The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
    filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
    filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
    is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
        e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
     
    Check file system on partition ‘/dev/sdf1’: Error
    Create a new partition (232.88 GiB, ext4) on ‘/dev/sdf’: Error
    Notice that it supposedly successfully created the partition, but it failed the check. I've tried NTFS and EXT2 as well and a similar thing happens. Can someone help me understand what's going on? Did I break the hard drive somehow when I deleted the partitions?
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    Re: Trouble formatting blank hard drive

    I'm used to gparted, so I'll give the advice according to that tool.
    Code:
    sudo gparted
    - Select the correct drive at the top right corner

    - Select Device -- Create partition table

    - Create an MSDOS table (with MBR, it is the old and standard partition table).

    - Create a partition (or several if you like). If you want more than 4 partitions, you need to make at least one extended partition (where you can have several logical partitions). If you want to boot Windows later on, you need a primary partition.

    - Create a file system (or file systems) according to what you want. If you use only linux, I suggest an ext partition (ext2, ext3 or ext4). Ext4 is the newest and most efficient file system.

    - Click on the green tick icon at the top of the gparted window to start to execute the job.

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    Re: Trouble formatting blank hard drive

    Sometimes you need to disconnect the drive and reconnect in order for the kernel to enumerate the drive correctly. If it's an internal drive, you sometimes need to reboot and there is a message in gparted to that effect.

    Some drives on laptops have a hidden first partition that contains diagnostic utilities. You may need to delete that one as well.
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    Re: Trouble formatting blank hard drive

    Personally, I do not trust a USB connection to do the tasks delineated. A direct connection to the system via the hdd's SATA connection (or IDE, as the case may be) is what I find works best. So . . . a small screwdriver and some time, along with SystemRescueCD are what i would use to place the hdd in question into my laptop and do it correctly and to my liking. Saves time in the long run.


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    Re: Trouble formatting blank hard drive

    Quote Originally Posted by sudodus View Post
    I'm used to gparted, so I'll give the advice according to that tool.
    Code:
    sudo gparted
    - Select the correct drive at the top right corner

    - Select Device -- Create partition table

    - Create an MSDOS table (with MBR, it is the old and standard partition table).

    - Create a partition (or several if you like). If you want more than 4 partitions, you need to make at least one extended partition (where you can have several logical partitions). If you want to boot Windows later on, you need a primary partition.

    - Create a file system (or file systems) according to what you want. If you use only linux, I suggest an ext partition (ext2, ext3 or ext4). Ext4 is the newest and most efficient file system.

    - Click on the green tick icon at the top of the gparted window to start to execute the job.
    sudodus, this is exactly what I've been doing. I just tried again in gparted; the only difference is that gparted doesn't automatically check after creating the file system. It creates the file system but then reports it as "Unable to detect file system" after refreshing.

    Quote Originally Posted by tgalati4 View Post
    Sometimes you need to disconnect the drive and reconnect in order for the kernel to enumerate the drive correctly. If it's an internal drive, you sometimes need to reboot and there is a message in gparted to that effect.

    Some drives on laptops have a hidden first partition that contains diagnostic utilities. You may need to delete that one as well.
    Do you mean after creating the file system, disconnect and reconnect? When I do that, the file system isn't detected. Upon opening gparted again, the file system is listed as unknown. I've also rebooted, tried connecting to a different machine, etc.

    How would one go about deleting the hidden first partition? Would this partition not be expected to be visible in gparted?

    Quote Originally Posted by sidzen View Post
    Personally, I do not trust a USB connection to do the tasks delineated. A direct connection to the system via the hdd's SATA connection (or IDE, as the case may be) is what I find works best. So . . . a small screwdriver and some time, along with SystemRescueCD are what i would use to place the hdd in question into my laptop and do it correctly and to my liking. Saves time in the long run.


    I'd like to avoid that, as I thought this would be a few minute task. Would I load SystemRescueCD onto a USB or CD and use it to boot, then create the file system from there? Why do you think it wouldn't work in repeated attempts via USB?

    Thanks everyone for your help.
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    Re: Trouble formatting blank hard drive

    Quote Originally Posted by montag dp View Post
    sudodus, this is exactly what I've been doing. I just tried again in gparted; the only difference is that gparted doesn't automatically check after creating the file system. It creates the file system but then reports it as "Unable to detect file system" after refreshing.
    Did you also create a new partition table?

    In that case you might succeed better if you wipe the first megabyte of the drive. This should remove anything that might distract gparted.
    Code:
    sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=1024 count=1024
    where /dev/sdx is the drive you want to wipe, it used to be /dev/sdf but, check again because if you make a mistake, another drive will be wiped (and it cannot be repaired).

    Then try as before with gparted.

    If still no go, maybe there is some problem with the electronics of the external USB casing or the USB system in your computer, and you need to resort to sidzen's advice to mount the drive internally.

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    Re: Trouble formatting blank hard drive

    I feel like I had a similar issue on one of my old desktop hard drives, but I am not sure if this issue would apply to your case ... my problem was a set of terminators near the IDE plug being set to master. When i tried to use the drive, it acted like it was a ghost drive -- existing, but not usable.

    To find out if this is your issue, open your external enclosure and look in the back of the drive (where it plugged into the laptop). If there is a set of exposed pins with a small terminator connecting two of them then you might be in luck because this is a relatively easy fix. There should be a picture somewhere on your drive that shows the difference in which pins are connected by the terminator for Master, Slave and Auto-detect. Make sure that you have it on either slave or auto for your external drive. If it is set to master, then you are creating a conflict with your true master drive (your boot drive) and your computer is smart enough to let the conflict only take out the external drive.

    Another alternative is if you have your USB daisy chained. My current computer has an issue with connecting USB devices through a USB hub -- it works well enough for most things, but transferring large amounts of data sometimes is an issue. For example, when I try to transfer music from my computer to my MP3 player through a daisy chained or hubbed USB circuit, the data gets corrupted. The MP3s will still play, but they skip and have all sorts of random hickups. Try connecting your drive directly to the USB of your computer (not through a hub) and remove all other USB devices and give gparted another shot. It may or may not help, but it is quicker to find out than swapping with internal components ...

    I hope this helps

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    Re: Trouble formatting blank hard drive

    Quote Originally Posted by sudodus View Post
    Did you also create a new partition table?

    In that case you might succeed better if you wipe the first megabyte of the drive. This should remove anything that might distract gparted.
    Code:
    sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=1024 count=1024
    where /dev/sdx is the drive you want to wipe, it used to be /dev/sdf but, check again because if you make a mistake, another drive will be wiped (and it cannot be repaired).

    Then try as before with gparted.

    If still no go, maybe there is some problem with the electronics of the external USB casing or the USB system in your computer, and you need to resort to sidzen's advice to mount the drive internally.
    sudodus, thanks for your advice. I will give that a try and report back when I get a chance. I don't think the problem is the electronics of the casing, because it worked fine before I deleted all the partitions.

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    Re: Trouble formatting blank hard drive

    Hi,

    Could you run lsusb in terminal, and see what your usb-hdd adapter is?

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    Re: Trouble formatting blank hard drive

    Quote Originally Posted by Peltsi View Post
    Hi,

    Could you run lsusb in terminal, and see what your usb-hdd adapter is?
    Here is the output:

    Code:
    Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
    Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
    Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
    Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
    Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
    Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
    Bus 001 Device 003: ID 5986:02d5 Acer, Inc

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