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    PC Mag's Louderback "I may switch to Linux"

    For all of you post about what does not work with Ubuntu, read the Jim Louderback column in the 8-15-2007 issue of PC Magazine.

    He says "Maybe it was something in the water? I've been a big proponent of the new OS [VISTA] over the past few months, even going so far as loading it onto most of my computers and spending hours tweaking and optimizing it. So why, nine months after launch, am I so frustrated? The litany of what doesn't work and what still frustrates me stretches on endlessly...Take sleep mode, for example. Vista promised a new low-power sleep mode that would save energy yet enable nearly instantaneous resume. Poppycock...have to cold-start it to bring it back. This after replacing virtually every driver inside. It's gotten so bad that I've actually nicknamed it Chip Van Winkle...I could go on and on about the lack of drivers, the bizarre wake-up rituals, the strange and nonreproducible system quirks, and more. But I won't bore you with the details. The upshot is that even after nine months, Vista just ain't cutting it. I definitely gave Microsoft too much of a free pass on this operating system: I expected it to get the kinks worked out more quickly. Boy, was I fooled! If Microsoft can't get Vista working, I might just do the unthinkable: I might move to Linux."


    Read it here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2170275,00.asp

    So let's not think that Windows is perfect and Ubuntu is not! All OS's need work.
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    Re: PC Mag's Louderback "I may switch to Linux"

    so he says he's been up on vista for e nunmonths despite endlessly tweaking it and it still sucking. what's worse is he calls linux the unthinkale -- how ridiculous! i would take ubuntu over vista even if vista were free. where is the accountability?
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    Re: PC Mag's Louderback "I may switch to Linux"

    i say we ban him from joining our elite club....lol...j/k

    i actually was a beta and RC tester for vista.... needless to say i wrote many emails to the windows developement team stating that driver issues were the biggest problem. I went out and bought a new motherboard that stated being vista compatable and finding out Vista did not support the built in Realtec sound chip, MS even went on to say that that chip will never be supported. That when I said I'm done.

    If they wont support basic hardware because they deem it unworthy, I can't see wating my money.
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    Re: PC Mag's Louderback "I may switch to Linux"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowSky View Post
    i say we ban him from joining our elite club....lol...j/k

    i actually was a beta and RC tester for vista.... needless to say i wrote many emails to the windows developement team stating that driver issues were the biggest problem. I went out and bought a new motherboard that stated being vista compatable and finding out Vista did not support the built in Realtec sound chip, MS even went on to say that that chip will never be supported. That when I said I'm done.

    If they wont support basic hardware because they deem it unworthy, I can't see wating my money.
    LMAOL! The only support that M$ have is $$$.

    I seen Vista first hand and I doubt that I will be purchasing it anytime soon. To me Vista is almost like ME, too much bugs and it can not even stop Spyware/Adsware, etc.. like it promised to do. All Vista worry about is(Did you pay $$$ to M$?).

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    Re: PC Mag's Louderback "I may switch to Linux"

    I remember reading that in my pcmag. Let's look on the positive. If he does switch to Linux, he'll probably switch to Ubuntu. When he sees how kickass this OS is, he'll spread the word out to the millions of subscribers in PC Mag. This alone can get a bunch of people into our OS, and then there might be Linux articles on PC Mag, as well.

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    Re: PC Mag's Louderback "I may switch to Linux"

    Well, it does call itself "PC Mag" and should include articles about linux. They should change the name to make it more accurate to "PC Peripheral Mag." I think that's the issue I had with them. The bulk of the magazine was about Big Televisions, Ipods, phones, and about anything else that would hook to a PC (not much on PC's though).
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    Re: PC Mag's Louderback "I may switch to Linux"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fonon View Post
    I remember reading that in my pcmag. Let's look on the positive. If he does switch to Linux, he'll probably switch to Ubuntu. When he sees how kickass this OS is, he'll spread the word out to the millions of subscribers in PC Mag. This alone can get a bunch of people into our OS, and then there might be Linux articles on PC Mag, as well.
    That would be nice, but this editorial was his farewell column. In other words, he finally acknowledged what a fiasco Vista as now that he's no longer in MS's pocket.
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    Re: PC Mag's Louderback "I may switch to Linux"

    looking like linux is a commodity, good
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    Re: PC Mag's Louderback "I may switch to Linux"

    He can stick with Vista if he wants, not using Linux is his loss. Think about it, how can you be a computing expert nowadays if you are using crippled software?

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    Re: PC Mag's Louderback "I may switch to Linux"

    Well, I get frustrated by both operating systems, Ubuntu and Vista.

    I've been using Vista RTM since November of last year, and the RCs and betas before that. Fact is, if your hardware is supported, it's a heck of an OS. On a Dell Precision M70 (a three year old top-of-the-line Dell notebook with an nVidia video subsystem) it has worked absolutely flawlessly. I haven't seen a single blue screen or had a single lockup -- or even an application crash. But it is a pain in the you-know-what to keep the OS and all applications updated.

    Contrast that to Ubuntu, which I've only used for a few weeks now. Ubuntu worked beautifully -- except for a woeful lack of decent OpenGL support -- right out of the gate, just as Vista did on the same system. Getting the video subsystem to work properly with a multi-head configuration when docked has been something that no person, who wasn't truly adept at doing research and performing trial and error experiments and using the command line interface, would have gone through. Now that I've got the system configured to suit me, and even before, I've absolutely loved Ubuntu. It's like the best box of toys I ever had! But it's also a fair amount of work.

    Here's the point. Vista is awful if your hardware isn't supported. That's true of any operating system with bad hardware support. Vista is beautiful if your hardware IS supported. The response of the GUI is lightning fast, and it absolutely never crashes or wavers in the performance of its work.

    Ubuntu is a blast because, like other Linux variants, you can customize it to within an inch of your life. It is fast and responsive on the same system that runs Vista so well. BUT -- even when you DO have hardware support in Ubuntu -- like with my nVidia Quadro FX Go1400 card on this notebook -- it is STILL somewhat of an undertaking to get things like multi-head support working. And those things simply worked in Vista.

    I'm not putting Ubuntu or Linux down, mind you. I wouldn't even be using Vista (or any other Windows) if I weren't the sysadmin on a bunch of Active Directory production domains. Ubuntu and Linux are a blast. They are fun. They are supremely cool in allowing me to configure the system so much more precisely than I could configure a Windows system.

    But, if you're going to get the best out of your hardware, Ubuntu (and other distros) still require a considerably greater amount of effort and learning to make them "just work" than does Windows, with equivalent hardware support.

    The guy who wrote the article seemed to mostly be carping about something that really is NOT Microsoft's fault -- although it is their problem -- and that is poor (REALLY POOR) driver support from a great many hardware vendors. They had plenty of time for this. The hardware vendors who did their homework have hardware that works better than it ever did in any previous version of Windows and which never causes system crashes. Vista was a huge step forward. It could fail because people won't use it if they can't get good hardware support.

    But Ubuntu and the Linuxes have some ground to cover, too. None of the end users I know would even think of attempting to go through the research and testing that I did over the last couple of weeks.

    I'm rooting for Ubuntu and friend, because -- as I said before -- it'sjust about the best box of toys I've ever had! I haven't had this much fun since my Apple //e!
    Last edited by porcorosso; August 24th, 2007 at 11:04 PM. Reason: Bad typist! BAD, BAD typist!

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