im downloading the iso now and am wondering if it's worth installing over ubuntu or just running in a vm to test it
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im downloading the iso now and am wondering if it's worth installing over ubuntu or just running in a vm to test it
My 2 cents is to always run in a VM before you overwrite something you know you like.
thanks i don't think i am fully ready to give up ubuntu 8.10 i just decided to download it on a whim when i was on campus where the internet connection is much faster than at home
Fedora and Ubuntu are slightly different animals.
Fedora is more for the higher end user as it sometimes needs some tweaking to get things just right (ie. multimedia codecs, closed-souce video drivers, etc). On the plus side, it tends to be more of a testing bed for newer OS enhancements.
You may want to test F10 in a VM first to see it in action before committing.
i tested it via live cd and i think i'll stick with ubuntu i'll miss synaptic and add/remove too much
I'm on fedora 10 and love it. Albeit, it takes a bit to get used to when accustomed to Ubuntu, but after a while it feels comfy.
Apart from getting codecs to install which is not a problem once you add rpmfusion. I'd say that Fedora is much much lighter on resources than Ubuntu is.
Fedora just haves X.org,Ubuntu has xvesa and xorg.
Fedora haves very small and ugly drivers,it doesn`t support most video hardware,Ubuntu has most video drivers.
Fedora uses rpm`s wich are ugly,Ubuntu has strong deb`s.
fedora has ugly gui,Ubuntu has shiny orange
Fedora has huge and out-of-date updates,Ubuntu has small fixes in very small times.This makes it strong.
Ubuntu has a lot of appsin installation,Fedora has just gnome-based apps like OpenSolaris.
Gee. Have you used Fedora for more than 5 minutes? I use it on a daily basis and it's my preferred Linux OS. It provides for me everything I need. Someone, in this thread, said that it's faster than Ubuntu. I find Ubuntu to be much faster than Fedora. Ubuntu is very nice and I find myself using it more and more but I'll always fall back on Fedora. It's just the way it is for me. A habit that's hard to break. I love Fedora and the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyhacker
What!? Perhaps you need to use Fedora before commenting.Quote:
Fedora has huge and out-of-date updates,Ubuntu has small fixes in very small times.This makes it strong.
Again you need to research more. Fedora has everything you could want in the repos and if not rpmfusion. KDE apps are in Fedora and it's KDE implementation in my opinion is much better than Kubuntu.Quote:
Ubuntu has a lot of appsin installation,Fedora has just gnome-based apps like OpenSolaris.
I tried F10 a week ago. It was okay I guess. But packagekit/yum was very slow and buggy. Also I couldn't make subpixel font smoothing work which is a trivial task in every gnome distro I tried since 2001.
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Originally Posted by cb951303
I've found Ubuntu's/Mint's font smoothing to be unmatched. Best I've seen yet.
Fonts in Ubuntu are awesome. Fedora, not quite as good, even with subpixel smoothing.
No, it doesn't come with the drivers installed. Once you install the RPMFusion repo, they're trivial to add. Want it even easier? Go to http://dnmouse.org/autoten.html and install the autoten script to do it all for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyhacker
That's your opinion. I much prefer yum/rpm to apt/deb. To each their own, I guess. Statements without backup don't sound too convincing, though.Quote:
Fedora uses rpm`s wich are ugly,Ubuntu has strong deb`s.
Funny, I've heard much more criticism of Ubuntu's orange and brown theme than Fedora's theme. Again, a judgement call.Quote:
fedora has ugly gui,Ubuntu has shiny orange
Completely untrue. As stated before, have you even used Fedora?!Quote:
Fedora has huge and out-of-date updates,Ubuntu has small fixes in very small times.This makes it strong.
Again, have you used Fedora? You can get apps for any desktop manager, from Fluxbox to KDE and more. Do some research before posting ignorant stuff like that.Quote:
Ubuntu has a lot of appsin installation,Fedora has just gnome-based apps like OpenSolaris.
All said, Fedora and Ubuntu are pretty comparable in my opinion.
Something tells me that you have NEVER used Fedora and are just posting to see your own words in print.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyhacker
Good luck with that....:lolflag:
Come on now guys. Give the poor kid a break. Time moves on and experience will eventually overtake opinion. We hope.
And as for you, Glenn ... I'm tellin' Bob on you! <..:D..>
Please tell me that you are joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyhacker
I'm just going to end it here, I don't want to flame.
Back to the original topic, Fedora 10 is really, really nice. Actually it does feel faster than 8.10, for me of course.
I really do like the theme, though. I don't mind the .RPM package system, I got used to it. Oh and of course, who can forget Plymouth?
I've used Redhat 3.x, 4.x, 5.x and 6.x years ago, I remember the rpm-hell very well :( Things have improved a lot with yum, but I find apt-get much more flexible and nicer to use (Why does yum have to update information each time before I want to again install something ? Just plain annoying.). I prefer apt-get/dpkg so much more over rpm/yum.Quote:
Originally Posted by djhyland
And concerning the repositories, as a new Fedora or CentOS user you still have to do some reading to find extra repositories for certain simple applications (Referring to Dag and other repositories).
With Ubuntu a lot is already included with universe and multiverse.
My impression is that Fedora (release) is from time to time more cutting edge than Ubuntu (release), take for example the ext4 support in the latest Fedora release.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyhacker
Oh no! I could be fired! Then I wouldn't be able to ban any more spammers. I so enjoy that :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunshine128
LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyhacker
That has to be the most biased, ignorant load of crap I've read in a while...
Nice.
=D>
Nvidia drivers in F10 are easy to install but difficult to setup, in U810 it's just a few mouse clicks and your done with Nvidia drivers & compiz both. Compiz can be very difficult to setup in F10.
Adding a printer in F10 is also very problematic if it's a printer on the network that is. also newer printer drivers are also not available by default in F10, it's the same list of drivers that they have always used.
My overall opinion of F10 is it's coming along well but it will take time for them to catch up to even where Ubuntu is. Fedora 10 looks great though visually. basicly this "it has to be free" stuff gets in the way of Fedoras ease of setup Ubuntu seems to have found a way around this. If however you want a Distro that's totally free Fedora is it, as long as you dont need MP3 playback, nvidia drivers, any ability to play movies, compiz, or network printing. If web surfing & email is all you need then Fedora is great.
Ultimate F10 how to. here ya go..
I been using F10 x64 since it released on my big rig and im lovin it! Better than Ubuntu in many ways.Code:su
to become root.
Then run
rpm -Uvh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm
This adds the RPM Fusion repository (a merger or Dribble, Freshrpms, and rpm.livna.org) to our package manager.
Unfortunately the RPM Fusion repository doesn't have libdvdcss in its repository, therefore we also add the livna repository (which contains only that package):
rpm -Uvh http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/10/i386/livna-release-9-2.noarch.rpm
Next we add the Adobe repository which provides the Flash player and the Adobe Reader:
rpm -Uvh http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/adobe-release/adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
Finally we add the Skype repository - as there is no rpm, we have to do it manually:
gedit /etc/yum.repos.d/skype.repo
[skype]
name=Skype Repository
baseurl=http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/fedora/updates/i586/
gpgkey=http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/rpm-public-key.asc
enabled=1
gpgcheck=0
7 Installing Additional Software
Now that we have added additional repositories, a lot more packages are available in our package manager for installation, especially a big deal of our needed packages. To install them, go to System > Administration > Add/Remove Software:
The Package Manager opens:
Use the search field and select the following packages for installation (* is a wildcard; e.g. mplayer* means all packages that start with mplayer) and click on Apply afterwards:
* f-spot
* flash-plugin
* filezilla
* thunderbird
* amule
* azureus
* skype
* xchat-gnome
* openoffice.org*
* AdobeReader_enu
* gnucash
* scribus
* amarok
* audacity
* banshee
* mplayer
* mplayer-gui
* gtkpod
* xmms*
* DVDRipOMatic
* kino
* vlc
* mozilla-vlc
* xine*
* brasero
* k3b
* bluefish
* kdewebdev
* java
* compat-libstdc++-33 (needed by RealPlayer)
* ffmpeg
* lame
* libdvdcss
* libXp
* mjpegtools
* kernel-devel (needed by VMware)
* xinetd (needed by VMware)
* gcc (needed by VMware)
* gcc-c++ (needed by VMware)
* perl-devel (needed by VMware)
* perl-ExtUtils-Embed (needed by VMware)
* wget
Afterwards, the selected packages will be installed. This can take a few minutes, so please be patient.
8 Inventory (II)
Now let's check again what we have so far by browsing the menus again:
Our inventory should now look like this:
Graphics:
[x] Gimp
[x] F-Spot
[ ] Picasa
Internet:
[x] Firefox
[ ] Opera
[x] Flash Player
[x] FileZilla
[x] Thunderbird
[x] Evolution
[x] aMule
[x] Azureus/Vuze
[x] Transmission BitTorrent Client
[x] Pidgin
[x] Skype
[ ] Google Earth
[x] Xchat IRC
Office:
[x] OpenOffice Writer
[x] OpenOffice Calc
[x] Adobe Reader
[x] GnuCash
[x] Scribus
Sound & Video:
[x] Amarok
[x] Audacity
[x] Banshee
[x] MPlayer
[x] Rhythmbox Music Player
[x] gtkPod
[x] XMMS
[x] dvd::rip
[x] Kino
[x] Sound Juicer CD Extractor
[x] VLC Media Player
[ ] Real Player
[x] Totem
[x] Xine
[x] Brasero
[x] K3B
[ ] Multimedia-Codecs
Programming:
[ ] Kompozer
[x] Bluefish
[x] Quanta Plus
Other:
[ ] VMware Server
[ ] TrueType Fonts
[x] Java
[x] Read/Write Support for NTFS Partitions
9 Flash Player
To see if the Flash plugin (which we installed before) is working, start Firefox. Then type about:plugins in the address bar. Firefox will then list all installed plugins, and it should list the Flash Player
Fedora catch up to Ubuntu?!? In what way... ease of use? That's like saying that Slackware has a long way to go in order to catch up to Linux Mint. ](*,)Quote:
Originally Posted by beast2k
Fedora is NOT Ubuntu -- it is not aimed at the newbie crowd like Ubuntu or Linux Mint. It is Fedora...
Jeez.. I guess I need to uninstall World of Warcraft, my Nvidia drivers, and all my divx movies because, according to you, I can't do this stuff on it... :lolflag:Quote:
Originally Posted by beast2k
Fedora 10 needs to catch up to Ubuntu in the area of setup not the install or ease of use, it's the easiest thing in the world to use. It's just a lot easier to set up ubuntu then Fedora.. If Fedora is NOT aimed at the newbie crowd then should it not say as much on the Fedora web site? I did not anywhere say "you can not do" I am just saying compared to ubuntu it's a lot more difficult to set things up after the inital install. The origional poster wanted to know how fedora compared to ubuntu and as I said in my last post "in my opinion" ubuntu is easyer to setup. It's my opinion based on what happened when i tried it, nothing more. Your experiences may be different and juging by your post your getting on quite well with it so you need not uninstall your WoW or Nvidia driversQuote:
Originally Posted by Antman
Fedora not including the Nvidia drivers and other copyright and patented software is more about them being sponsored by Redhat and based in the USA. Redhat make money, they would be a perfect target for the owners of MP3, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by beast2k
Link: www.iht.com
IMHO, Fedora do things right. It makes things harder for those who don't know how to get things done. That's not the fault of Fedora developers though, I think they do aim to make Fedora easier for new users. The stupid software patent laws and patent troll companies are the real people preventing Fedora from being easy. Another solution would be for people to switch to open source formats. That won't happen until the end users really get to understand why those patented formats are bad, I feel ubuntu isn't helping here and Fedora is.
been trying fedora 10 since yesterday, and i got to say,,,yum is slow (well, not specifically yum, but its download mirrors)...got me to download 400mb of updates for 5hrs! compared to using ubuntu + apt-get within just an hour...
still i'm planning to stick around fedora, i mean, you will still learn something, right?
also another option is to just install all my application in fedora thru tarballs, but i think it will be the last option... =P
For me yum is pretty fast and I don't have the problems that you mentioned. What may help is to install the yum-presto and yum-fastestmirror plugins. The yum-fastestmirror plugin helps yum choose a fast mirror for you (I think the default is to use local mirrors which may not be ideal if they are slow). The yum-presto plugin enables yum to use delta rpms for your updates. Delta rpms are much smaller than full rpms and therefore don't take as much time to download.Quote:
Originally Posted by deuphil.kaufmann
I also think that comparing yum and apt-get in the context above is wrong. Fedora updates their OS regularly when compared to Ubuntu, so they usually have more updates in their repositories. Personally I don't see much difference in using dpkg with apt and rpm with yum (or any other rpm frontend). With most modern distros, once you get to know your way around a distribution and delve deep into the packaging tools, you will find that they are more or less the same.
I tried Fedora 10 recently for about a week.. would be the longest time i would install a non debian based disro on my personal laptop.. in many ways i prefered it to ubuntu .. for one it detected all my hardwares (which isn't saying much because i use mainly intel based hardware since the system came preinstalled with ubuntu) even then Ibex didnt detect my webcam, and thinkfinger in the repo didnt all dont work .. i had to do alot of extra work to get things that just worked on hardy heron to work on ibex .. ibex really effd up .. broke lots of hardware compatibility. but what broke the camel's back was Pulse Audio.. on fedora i never had this problems .. webcam,pulse Audio,thinfinger .. all worked without extra tweak than what was necessary for setup.. the over desktop experience was awesome.. the artwork, is top notch.. but the one thing that i couldn't leave with was package management which was a big let down IMHO.. yum wasn't just as good as apt-get .. packagekit was damn too slow.. it would take forever to update.. and it was very buggy.. i really missed synaptic which is years ahead of packagekit .. i even installed yumex but even that would hang for long hours.. in the end .. packaging made the decision for me.. and right now ..(just this morning) am back to ibex .. :( it was a hard decision .. if only the packaging could have been better .. if only :(
Artwork , hardware detection and kde is better than ubuntu.But apt > yum
thanks man! you gave me a reason to play around fedora 10 longer! thanks, got to try this out...Quote:
Originally Posted by ibutho
I think my post above would apply to you as well. The problem is not yum, but the mirrors from which packages are being pulled. Install the yum-fastestmirror and yum-presto plugins and yums performance should be better. YUMEX is not really great IMHO and I've also found it to be buggy at times so I just use yum int he CLI or the Add/Remove Programs application. YUMEXs slowness could be a result of yum using slow mirrors.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbrovar
I do not experience these issues at all and Packagekit works as good or better than apt does on my many Ubuntu machines. I am in the USA however, and so the mirrors I use are probably close and much faster than someone trying to access them from say.. India, Sri Lanka, or the Middle East on a slow Internet connection..Quote:
Originally Posted by deuphil.kaufmann
I've always found YUM to be very stable and rather snappy. Although I prefer RPMs to DEBs I just hate the way that apt takes ages reading the database every time. My favourite package manager has got to be pkgtools though, I've not had anything which installs Software faster than that.
well, i'm not saying that yum specifically is the problem, what i think is the mirrors, which in my case, i from asia...as you said, maybe its because all the servers are in the u.s.
and also, its true that it doen't matter which package management you use..just been using yum for the first couple of minutes, and it feels already like apt-get, only that the speed from my setup, is not as fast...
i have no regrets really in installing fedora, but hopefully in the future, red hat will include these plugins mentioned above, by default already..compared to ubuntu that is already out-of-the-box...
I experience the same issues with Fedora repository mirrors since I, too, live in Asia.
Funny this is, there is a very fast mirror in Singapore but it has problems maintaining a connection - 200KB/s throughput but frequent time-outs. Taiwan mirros are dog slow for some reason. My recent installation took over 8 hours to download 600MB of updates... ouch.
Fastest-mirror doesn't work for me; the low ping servers have poor throughput to my computer. Yum-presto helps, but again, most all the presto-enabled mirrors are in Europe and N. America.
Ubuntu repo mirrors, on the other hand, are super quick from the same locations (Singapore & Taiwan).
obviously, its really the mirrors that makes yum in fedora slow...using yum under openSuse is much faster compared to yum in fedora...
also returning to the context of the thread...
i tried fedora because:
- the artwork is great
- rpm-based, wanted to try them
- obviously, to compare fedora to other distros out there
...also i see in fedora that its more organized in a way more than ubuntu, ubuntu is rather straight forward...
hmmm could be the slow mirror because if i run it from the cli it just keeps timing out before it eventually pulls the download.. anyway am back to ibex and i really miss fedora 10 .. another thing i didnt like about yum was that i could find a why to remove unneeded dependencies .. like an apt-get autoremove .. that was a bigg downner for me .. i installed vala which pulled couple of dependencies .. when i yum remove vala only vala was removed the other dependencies werent ..
Erhm...
You crazy kids. I already covered that step in my nifty ubuntu to fedora conversion guide. It's not very complete, but it's enough to get you going.Code:yum install yum-remove-with-leaves
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=996935
This is the funniest thing I have read this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyhacker
lolwut
Holy smoking monkey butts! I completely missed that, thanks for pointing it out :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MisfitI38
Code:su -c 'yum -y install OpenSolaris'
I'm trying out Fedora now. It's very nice. After three years of using Linux I finally get around to trying it. LOL. Anyway, we'll see how it goes. It's definitely faster than Ubuntu and openSuse.
Some helpful hints in this thread, Thanks guys.
when i installed it before in vm it didn't even ask where to install. if i try to dualboot with ubuntu it just won't take up the entire drive? and will it automatically get added to grub?
Yes throw rotten tomatoes at me , I am on Fedora 10. (hey it's still Linux, please let me chat here).
Here's the scoop: It Rocks.
Reliable, easy to set up. Compiz working but flickers with open gl (due to my ati card-best solution get nvidia card).
I have Gnome desktop which I have customised no prob.
I use it because I want to use red hat package manager mostly.
Ubuntu 8.10 is awesome and I used that for ages but it didn't install with my ati graphics card. So to avoid advanced jiggery poker, like command line install and kernel parameter stuff I tried Fedora 10 and it was fine. The previous fedora wasn't all that though.
To be honest I am surprised this Fedora is so good because if I was using nvidia graphics I would choose to use Ubuntu. The Ubuntu forums and support network are larger than that of Fedora I think (No offence Fedora).
No don't get an nVidia card, the ATI Drivers have been smooth sailing for me on almost every distro.Quote:
Reliable, easy to set up. Compiz working but flickers with open gl (due to my ati card-best solution get nvidia card)
Fedora uses a lot of experimental packages and as such installing the ATI Driver directly on it may not work all the time. However RPMFusion offer Fedora specific patches and in order to install them on Fedora 10 follow the Simple instructions in this thread, worked absolutely fine for me, and on an older system with an ATI Radeon 9550 I have, I never had to install any drivers at all! The open source ones worked great.
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=155503
I've found that Fedora is much more stable than Ubuntu considering it's using really cutting edge packages!, and also Fedora uses much less memory than Ubuntu so my system always results in being much snappier. Also when you add RPMFusion like in that guide you'll also have access to multimedia codecs should you need them.