Forum Staff and Forum Guidelines

[bjweeks]

After reading some of the mods comments is other threads I just have a few thing to say. The forum guidelines say

"Profanity: Mild profanity/swearing is allowed in the context of general speech. Explicit profanity/swearing is not allowed, and under no circumstances will we allow any profanity to be directed toward another person. Please see the Code of Conduct:Be Considerate, and the Code of Conduct:Be Respectful for more exact specifications."

but the "Forum Staff" are not following there own guidelines. I am now starting to see the double standerd that many are upset with. In the case with this post (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=547686&postcount=14) I feel that the mod in question needs to post a public apology or be removed as "Forum Staff".

Edit: I over looked this post (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=547848&postcount=16), he also needs to apologize for his comments.

[az]

Last night, Keyes brought the issue of the illegality of forking his application into a non-gpl one to the Community Council:

He also added to his complaint that the post deletiong and cersorship on the forums was wrong.

This morning, he found that Arniboy changed the licence to GPL, and was to remove his complaint from the agenda:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda

However, another member of the Comunity (MatthiasUrlichs - smurf, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthiasUrlichs) had added a comment about how this was supposed to have been resolved. Keyes added that he was dropping his compaint from the meeting, but all the links remained on the agenda.

I do not have the logs of the meeting, but the agenda for the next meeting has this topic on it.
"The future of the Ubuntu Forums, the increasing misunderstandings between the CC and the forum staff should be resolved"


I encourage everyone to attend the next Community Council meeting.

Edit: Todays meeting happened at 09:00 EST, or 14:00 UTC, right in the middle of this:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99553&page=2

[bjweeks]

Last night, Keyes brought the issue of the illegality of forking his application into a non-gpl one to the Community Council:

He also added to his complaint that the post deletiong and cersorship on the forums was wrong.

This morning, he found that Arniboy changed the licence to GPL, and was to remove his complaint from the agenda:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda

However, another member of the Comunity (MatthiasUrlichs - smurf, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthiasUrlichs) had added a comment about how this was supposed to have been resolved. Keyes added that he was dropping his compaint from the meeting, but all the links remained on the agenda.

I do not have the logs of the meeting, but the agenda for the next meeting has this topic on it.
"The future of the Ubuntu Forums, the increasing misunderstandings between the CC and the forum staff should be resolved"


I encourage everyone to attend the next Community Council meeting.

Edit: Todays meeting happened at 09:00 EST, or 14:00 UTC, right in the middle of this:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99553&page=2

Thank you for clearing up the issue but I am still very disappointed in the actions of the mods and admins.

[KingBahamut]

The CC should exist to handle disputes on the Fourm. It should have nothing to do with the control of the forum itself. As I have more than once stated , and it resides in my sig -- Freedom is not attained through Manipulation or Control. Freedom is the Right to choose without concept of reaction from others to influence your own choice. Let the User have choice and alternative. The moument this is denied, we cease to become the very thing that we are trying to become.

Have I made mistakes?

Most certainly.

If any user questions my validity, my actions, or such actions have offended them, I can only apologize for those.

That be said, we cannot continue with this constant back and forth fighting over what is allowed to be said and what is not. There must be a clear delinitation.

Let us not forget that again, we are here to improve, enhance, and encourage the User experience.

[bjweeks]

I don't think "The Official Ubuntu Forum" "Forum Staff" should be telling users to "Shut the **** up" or insulting anybody. When you have people who represent ubuntu acting this way it it looks very bad to new user and everbody.

[doitashimashite]

We are all humans, and each of us with our mistakes.
Let's just learn from our mistakes.

[ubuntu-geek]

We are all humans, and each of us with our mistakes.
Let's just learn from our mistakes.
Agreed.. This thread is going no place fast.

[bjweeks]

We are all humans, and each of us with our mistakes.
Let's just learn from our mistakes.

I agree but nobody has admitted to doing anything wrong.

Edit: and you ubuntu-geek should be apologizing for the way your staff has been acting.

[KingBahamut]

Have I made mistakes?

Most certainly.

If any user questions my validity, my actions, or such actions have offended them, I can only apologize for those.


I attempted it.

[darkmatter]

Agreed... this issue has been beaten to death... let it die, and it will no longer be an issue...

As for admission of wrong doing... that is something both sides have been guilty of... not just the staff...

I think it would be productive to meet half way on this... instead of trying to point fingers...

[doitashimashite]

I agree but nobody has admitted to doing anything wrong.

That may be one of the mistakes I am referring to ;-)

[Seth]

Agreed... this issue has been beaten to death... let it die, and it will no longer be an issue...
Nope. Issues are only dealt with by being confronted.

[ubuntu-geek]

This thread has served its purpose.

[bjweeks]

Agreed... this issue has been beaten to death... let it die, and it will no longer be an issue...

As for admission of wrong doing... that is something both sides have been guilty of... not just the staff...

I think it would be productive to meet half way on this... instead of trying to point fingers...

I hold the staff to a greater standerd than other users and I do not see how anything is being resolved.

[bjweeks]

This thread has served its purpose.
How? It has done nothing.

[darkmatter]

And it has been confronted... numerous times...

To bad that NO ONE seems to want to deal with it... they'd rather just play the stubborn child...


sigh...

[ubuntu-geek]

What do you want to be resolved? Someone kiss your ego and make up? Sorry not going to happen. You said what you had to say and people listend and now this thread has served its purpose. If it continues to waste space i'll lock it.

[teaker1s]

time to close the thread:rolleyes:

[bjweeks]

So you suport you staff telling people to shut the **** up? This happned less than a day ago so I do not see how is has been beatin to death.

[ubuntu-geek]

I didnt say I agreed with it. So take it how you will.. the issue is done you said what you had to say. Last warning before I lock this.

[teaker1s]

everyone is human and I may be missing it but arnies project gpl or not unless your looking for glory by changing it-it's no big deal use it / don't use it.
sitting here I see people getting far too upset about issues-some people like other people, others don't-life goes on

[az]

Let's resolve this at the Community Council meeting.

[ow50]

How? It has done nothing.
It served as criticism. One of the main problems is the current forums staff's inability to listen to criticism. Furthermore all posts presenting criticism seem to be removed so that we could all pretend like it never existed.

And it's not just criticism against the moderating that's censored, but also at least against Automatix. Valid bug reports and licensing questions just dissapear. I'd be greatly interested in what one can find in "The Jail - Unwanted posts" forum. Opening that for public display could clear the air if you have nothing to hide.

[ubuntu-geek]

Closed.. it served its purpose.