Distribution Release: Fedora 10

[wolfen69]

The Fedora project has announced the release of Fedora 10: "The Fedora Project, a Red Hat sponsored and community-supported open source collaboration project, today announced the availability of Fedora 10, the latest version of its free, open source operating system distribution. This release includes the premiere of a new graphical boot system called Plymouth, designed to speed up the boot process by taking advantage of a new kernel mode setting feature. Fedora 10 also features increased hardware support for a vast array of webcams, and better handling of printers via both direct physical connections and networks. Further, PackageKit, a software management tool that originally debuted in Fedora 9, has been extended in this release to provide on-demand codec software installation."

see www.distrowatch.com for download links.

[Snappo]

Downloading now :)

[igknighted]

Blah, all my usual mirrors haven't unlocked the directory for Fedora 10 yet... at least i'm getting 500+ on the torrent.

[Snappo]

I'm getting 3kbs on the torrent.

[wolfen69]

i'm getting 300kbs on the torrent. i'd probably get more, but i limit it to 300.

[Izek]

Downloading myself, but the x86_64 liveCD torrent is varying greatly between 150 KB/s to 500 KB/s.

[mthei]

Fedora 8 and 9 were both fantastic, and I'd used them exclusively for nine months. 10 makes some promises that looks like it may be bringing me back. I'll definitely grab the liveCD when I get home from work. By far one of my favourite distros, although I'm too comfortable with what I'm running now to do a clean install.

[mentallaxative]

I'm going to download it just to see Plymouth in action! :P

[Unicast]

I've been using this since the weekend. I installed 9.93 (Fedora 10 Preview) on Saturday, and that same afternoon there were over 100 updates that came through that upgraded the distro to version 10.

I'm bowled over at how nice it looks, the smoothness and how responsive it is. There are no mp3 or divx codecs installed by default, but that's soon remedied with the addition of the RPM Fusion repositories.

Feels much more responsive than ubuntu, and a damn sight more polished.

Edit: The only issue I've had so far is that F10 didn't recognise my printer - a canon ip4300. That was soon remedied though by downloading and installing the rpm's from the canon site for the ip4200. Worked like a charm. :D

[xArv3nx]

i'm going to download it just to see plymouth in action! :p
+1.

[damis648]

Looks nice, downloading. :-) Might even dual boot...

EDIT: Love the Plymouth splash :-) we need this in Ubuntu.

[SuperSonic4]

I'm waiting for them to upload a x86 KDE version -.-

[smartboyathome]

I'm going to download it just to see Plymouth in action! :P

I would do that too IF the Intel drivers worked. I don't have an ATI card right now. :(

[Unicast]

I would do that too IF the Intel drivers worked. I don't have an ATI card right now. :(

Intel graphics drivers?

I'm using intel integrated graphics here with no issues whatsoever.

Edit: Ah - never mind, you're talking about the boot-time animation sequence. No I don't see that either, but everything else works. :D

[gfg]

Anyone else have trouble booting it? I just get a PME# disabled error and then it stops.

[namegame]

I'll probably give it a try this weekend. It might replace Ubuntu as my "go to" OS for when I need something that works and I need it fast.

I don't know if it will actually replace Zenwalk as my favorite OS, but we shall see.

[Antman]

Even though this version claims to support more webcams, my webcam doesn't work with this release ](*,)
I guess the new kernel doesn't like my webcam because Ubuntu 8.10 doesn't connect to it either; but it works somewhat (not that linux can really work well with webcams anyway) in Ubuntu Hardy.

Other than that, f10 seems pretty nice.

[fromgi]

I downloaded the beta about two weeks ago in anticipation of the final release. I couldn't install the beta because I need the "safe graphics" mode which is on the Ubuntu livecd. Fedora offers no such option.

On the Fedora forum, I asked if Fedora has some sort of boot option I might be able to add, or any other suggestions. I never received a response!

Does anyone have any ideas? It seems pretty strange asking for help with Fedora on Ubuntu's forums.

Thanks!

[Luke has no name]

I liked the gnome menus better in F10 than Ubuntu; that is, the way it was broken into more navigable sub-menus. This would make more difference to usability than all the fast user switching Mark S. can get his hands on.

However, after briefly running Kubuntu 8.10 and F10 gnome, I realized that, unfortunately, Ubuntu really is the top of the game when it comes to making things work, and making them look alright while doing it.

[Sorivenul]

However, after briefly running Kubuntu 8.10 and F10 gnome, I realized that, unfortunately, Ubuntu really is the top of the game when it comes to making things work, and making them look alright while doing it.

I don't get this one. How does one go about comparing a Debian-based KDE4 distribution with a non-Debian-based GNOME distribution? I understand that Ubuntu may be slightly more stable for some users vs. Fedora, though F10 has been rock solid for me since Beta. Functionality in this aspect is somewhat subjective, and as far as appearance goes it is almost wholly subjective. Either way, this isn't about Fedora vs. Ubuntu. Just my two cents.

@OT:
F10 brought me back to Fedora. F8 was, IMO, the last good Fedora release, with F9 being a nightmare for me. Also a side note, oddly enough regarding appearance: finally some nice default artwork!

[igknighted]

Intel graphics drivers?

I'm using intel integrated graphics here with no issues whatsoever.

Edit: Ah - never mind, you're talking about the boot-time animation sequence. No I don't see that either, but everything else works. :D

It works, you just need to enable it. Do a search on the forum, its like 2 commands in the terminal and then it works great.

[hanzomon4]

Will that work with nvidia drivers as well?

[Sorivenul]

It works, you just need to enable it. Do a search on the forum, its like 2 commands in the terminal and then it works great.
The forums there state adding a VGA mode such as vga=0x318 to your GRUB configuration should work. It did for me and my Intel graphics.

Will that work with nvidia drivers as well?
From what I've read, not at the moment.

[pelle.k]

Will that work with nvidia drivers as well?From what I've read, not at the moment.
You wont have KMS, but you will have a splash screen (as i understand it, correct me if i'm wrong), only it's a vesa framebuffer instead. With KMS you will have a smooth flicker free experience from BIOS>GDM.

[itsStephen]

I'd love to try it but I'd only probably want to download the install dvd and with Tasmania internet (I have 512 kbps) it aint gonna happen too quickly.

How I want wireless bigpond

[binbash]

beta was fine except detecting my funtion keys on my notebook.I hope they fixed it.

[BigSilly]

I downloaded the Gnome Live CD last night, and gave it a quick go. Very nice! Lovely theme, and very fast for a live disc I thought. Still, I'm reluctant to install it. Trying Fedora in the past I've often found it to be a bit of a headache just trying to do simple things, such as enabling 3D etc. Ubuntu might not be as pretty, but it's miles ahead in the ease of use stakes for the end user, and is more like what a modern Linux should be in this regard imho. Also, it can be very difficult geting any kind of meaningful help for things on their support forums, so without a prior knowledge of Fedora, a new user can feel a bit alone.

Is it any easier to enable 3D Nvidia drivers with Fedora 10? Have any of you here installed F10, and what do you think? Cheers all.

[Antman]

Is it any easier to enable 3D Nvidia drivers with Fedora 10? Have any of you here installed F10, and what do you think? Cheers all.
Using nVidia drivers in F10 is pretty easy; just see my sig

[Antman]

Also, it can be very difficult geting any kind of meaningful help for things on their support forums, so without a prior knowledge of Fedora, a new user can feel a bit alone. While not as newbie friendly as the Ubuntu forums, I find the Fedora forum to be very good.

[L815]

Anyone getting video tearing with Intel graphic cards ?
I can't find a distro without it T-T

[C!oud]

Fedora 10 has been for me suprisingly good and I even set it up as a dual boot on one of my spare machines.

[BigSilly]

Using nVidia drivers in F10 is pretty easy; just see my sig

That's excellent, thanks for your help.

I'm sorely tempted to give it a shot. I won't be removing Ubuntu (no chance!), but I might erase my Mandriva 2009 install (again) and use Fedora instead. I hear so many good things.

What's the difference between the Gnome iso I've downloaded and the DVD iso? Is there a lot of stuff missing? Thanks.

[Sorivenul]

What's the difference between the Gnome iso I've downloaded and the DVD iso? Is there a lot of stuff missing? Thanks.

By default, not a lot. Using the DVD, if you don't customize anything, you should get the same system the LiveCD installs, pretty much. The DVD just allows for more software (development libraries, KDE, Xfce, administative tools, etc.) to be installed by default, which is nice if you have a slow connection to the internet.

[BigSilly]

By default, not a lot. Using the DVD, if you don't customize anything, you should get the same system the LiveCD installs, pretty much. The DVD just allows for more software (development libraries, KDE, Xfce, administative tools, etc.) to be installed by default, which is nice if you have a slow connection to the internet.

Thanks for your reply. I have a fairly good connection, but I didn't fancy downloading a DVD iso, and I'm happy with the Gnome DE so that'll do me. Cheers.

I'm going to have to give this a go. :)

[Unicast]

[thick mode]

Ok, I can edit my grub.conf file, but where in this lot do I put vga=0x318

default=0
timeout=0
chaintimeout=5
splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
hiddenmenu
title Fedora (2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686.img

[/thick mode]

[Therion]

Going to give Fedora 10 a shot when I get home later if the DL's are done. I last tried F8, almost exactly one year ago today, and it didn't pan out for me.
Anxious to see how F10 works with my new system.

[Unicast]

Took a flier and added it after "rhgb quiet" in the kernel line.

Worked a treat! 8)

[Antman]

I would still be using F10 on my desktop now, but I was having some issues getting world of warcraft to work with the new nVidia drivers that RPMFusion downloaded on my system.:(
Gotta have my WOW...... :lolflag:

[oOarthurOo]

[thick mode]

Ok, I can edit my grub.conf file, but where in this lot do I put vga=0x318

default=0
timeout=0
chaintimeout=5
splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
hiddenmenu
title Fedora (2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686.img

[/thick mode]
here:
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet vga=0x318

[nitehawk777]

Anyone getting video tearing with Intel graphic cards ?
I can't find a distro without it T-T

@L815,..
I have that exact problem with just about every distro!!!
Ubuntu will work a little with my Intel ebedded/integrated i815 video,...but not all of the screensavers will work.

SimplyMEPIS wouldn't work at all,...until I slipped in an old Matrox Mystique video card. Puppy Linux doesn't seem to mind WHAT video card I'm using!

Would love to get some good advice about what would be a good (used) video card to get (maybe off of eBay),....
any suggestions? Intel i815 is a pain in linux.:(

Guess Fedora would be the same story,.......

[OutOfReach]

Going to download it now.
I especially want to see Plymouth and how it works.

[igknighted]

@L815,..
I have that exact problem with just about every distro!!!
Ubuntu will work a little with my Intel ebedded/integrated i815 video,...but not all of the screensavers will work.

SimplyMEPIS wouldn't work at all,...until I slipped in an old Matrox Mystique video card. Puppy Linux doesn't seem to mind WHAT video card I'm using!

Would love to get some good advice about what would be a good (used) video card to get (maybe off of eBay),....
any suggestions? Intel i815 is a pain in linux.:(

Guess Fedora would be the same story,.......

I don't have video tearing on my intel gm45. Fedora uses the very latest 2.5 series intel driver with many bugfixes, and answer mesa version than ubuntu and other distros. Definitely worth a shot.

[Unicast]

There's a great installation guide here:

http://www.my-guides.net/en/content/view/125/26/

This has already helped me with Java, and Adobe Acrobat Reader. 8)

[samjh]

I've been using Fedora 10 for the past two days. It's running very well so far, but OpenJDK's web plugin is causing firefox/system crashes. Otherwise it's a very solid release. :)

[kernelhaxor]

Is there a LiveCD for Fedora 10?

[howefield]

Yes, you can download at

http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

[kernelhaxor]

Yes, you can download at

http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

Thanks .. Downloading right now..
Last time I downloaded Fedora was Fedora 4 or Fedora 5 I think .. they didn't have LiveCDs back then

[j.miller565]

Awesome always liked trying Fedora releases. Always feels really stable when running it. Can't wait to try out Plymouth though , it should be pretty interesting : ). So how do people find it so far?

[pelle.k]

So how do people find it so far?
Impressive. I mean it's a full blown animation, not just some background and a moving throbber. I'm using vesafb on nvidia, but KMS would be nice. Here's hoping the ATI driver will be usuable in a year or so.
Oh, and this release is very good. GDM is a bit slow to start, but other than that it's been smooth sailing.

[K.Mandla]

Moved to Fedora/RedHat subforum.

[cardinals_fan]

Just gave it a quick test run. Overall, quite impressive. Fedora's even-numbered releases really do seem to be better. Zod was decent, Moonshine was a disastrous failure, Werewolf was great, Sulfur was pathetic, and now Cambridge is pretty good. I was impressed by the boot speed and overall stablity of the system. Will it stay on my box? No, but I'll keep the disk around to play with.

[DeadSuperHero]

I downloaded the KDE4 spin of Fedora 10. I think it's absolutely fantastic. I have a few minor issues, but they're not bugs. I'm just not quite used to RPM-based distros.

Nevertheless, Cambridge exceeded my expectations. Works with PulseAudio in a KDE environment? Check. Graphics drivers work better with my card? Check. Xine and GStreamer working out of the box? Check, check. Even games with SDL audio work out of the box.

And for some odd reason, KDE just feels so much more stable on this instead of Kubuntu. They've also backported several of 4.2's usability features into it, so customization feels at least a bit more natural.

Once I find a good tutorial for prepping 4.2 SVN on this thing, it'll be perfect for me.

[Unicast]

Recently I bought a Logitech Internet 1500 Desktop wireless mouse / keyboard combo and was amazed to discover that all bar one of the media keys along the top of the keyboard were automatically configured by Fedora 10. Even the back/forward keys on the mouse were recognised for back/forward page navigation in Firefox. 8)

Great stuff. :D

[oOarthurOo]

Ok... I used it for a week. Here's my thoughts:

First, Wow. What an awesome release. So polished and beautiful at every step. You don't have to do any tweaking at all to be very, very happy with your OS. Just everything about it is ... perfect.

On the minus side, and the reason it's no longer installed:

1. I don't like to let things be and this is not a tweakers distro. Go ahead, try and remove the release notes. That's right. Trying to remove the release notes will essentially uninstall your OS. Now, many people will say "rn's are so small, who cares?" and they're right. Except for people like me, who do care. I want to be given the maximum amount of flexibility, and when you make your entire os dependent upon rn's I can read online or not at all... well, that's just extreme d'chebaggery as far as I'm concerned.

Oh and that's just the most blatant example. There are many, many more. It is more like XP than any other distro I've tried... in terms of what you can and can't do to it without risking breakage. Then again, it's also most like Xp in terms of a beautiful and consistant experience than any other distro I've tried. Coincidence?

2. There is no two. That's it. It is amazing and beautful and not customizable enough for me. That being said, it blows away Ubuntu 8.1 which I also installed, so don't think this is a RPM versus DEB thing. Ubuntu is also much less customizable than Debian, though much moreso than Fedora. But Fedora's out of the box experience is so much better than Ubuntu that for people who aren't going to customize, I'd probably recommend Fedora.

But now I am happily back in Lenny. It's good to be home.

[Unicast]

Another Fedora 10 hardware success story....

I've just installed a wireless network card in my pc, one of these: http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=1&pl1_id=1&pl2_id=44

It works perfectly in Fedora 10. All I had to do was select the network and enter the WPA key. Very happy indeed! 8)