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Yownanymous
November 19th, 2008, 10:40 AM
I'm a bit fed up right now with secrets held by closed source people.

For instance, if you follow the link on my signature, it leads to a video on youtube showing some of the conspiracies around Vista. I was shocked, and now I try to use Vista as little as possible, particularly restricting access to the internet.

Also, I installed AVG Free Edition and went into my users panel, and AVG had gone and installed a user!

You can't trust non-free.

Joeb454
November 19th, 2008, 10:45 AM
Also, I installed AVG Free Edition and went into my users panel, and AVG had gone and installed a user!

You can't trust non-free.

Non-free or closed-source

The 2 are very different things :) AVG has a free version, however it is closed source, so you don't know what it could do, as you mentioned

3rdalbum
November 19th, 2008, 11:12 AM
Many services that you install on Linux will add a user, too. The user account will have only the permissions that the service absolutely needs; for instance, install Apache and the user account it creates will only be able to read data from /var/www and respond to socket requests.

I'm sure AVG is doing the same thing. I'd rather it do that than run as root.

There are a lot of "conspiracies" about Vista that are completely untrue; my favourite is "It scans your hardware every 30ms to check that it hasn't changed!".

tsali
November 19th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Unless you're able and willing to scan through all of the source code for your open-source software yourself, you don't really know what you're getting there either, do you?

What if there's a vast conspiracy to hide spyware in a repo? What if the conspirators are the ones telling you you can trust "open-source"?

Yownanymous
November 19th, 2008, 11:35 AM
I highly doubt that, because why take the risk of it being open source?

Someone paranoid enough is bound to scan through it.

tsali
November 19th, 2008, 11:20 PM
Someone paranoid enough is bound to scan through it.

Good...that's just what we want you to think...

<SLEEP> <OBEY>
<CONFORM>

aysiu
November 19th, 2008, 11:26 PM
Non-free or closed-source I thought they were pretty much the same thing. Nonfree refers to the freedom in licensing, not the monetary cost.

init1
November 19th, 2008, 11:35 PM
I thought they were pretty much the same thing. Nonfree refers to the freedom in licensing, not the monetary cost.
It might be used that way, but it's still a confusing term. Better to clarify that it refers to licensing by using calling it closed source or proprietary.

alexcckll
November 19th, 2008, 11:40 PM
Many services that you install on Linux will add a user, too. The user account will have only the permissions that the service absolutely needs; for instance, install Apache and the user account it creates will only be able to read data from /var/www and respond to socket requests.

I'm sure AVG is doing the same thing. I'd rather it do that than run as root.

There are a lot of "conspiracies" about Vista that are completely untrue; my favourite is "It scans your hardware every 30ms to check that it hasn't changed!".
Yep - they're called Service Accounts

Cyrus (IMAP server) does, Oracle does.. so the tasks run with only those specific rights...

aysiu
November 19th, 2008, 11:40 PM
It might be used that way, but it's still a confusing term. Better to clarify that it refers to licensing by using calling it closed source or proprietary.
Oh, I agree completely. The first time I saw the nonfree software in Synaptic, I avoided them because I thought "I'll start with the free stuff... I don't know if I want to pay for anything right now."

Proprietary and closed source are definitely less confusing terms, but that doesn't mean that nonfree isn't at least supposed to refer to the same thing.