Emergency ! 10 th crash with OOo2 beta :) What are repositories masters waiting for ?

[tassou]

Hi,
the fact that breezy was shiped by default with a (highly) buggy office suite can be understood. Choice was made at early stage to use this major version and the release date of OOo2 was delayed.

BUT now OOo2 *stable* has been release several weeks ago. 2.0.0 does not include any change in dependancies, it is *only* a less buggy release.

So why aren't repositories updated yet ?? It is a HI priority, I do not consider OOo2 beta as usable on a daily basis. It is an *emergency* to provide official support for OOo2 stable, in official repository. - I mean, I do not want to write on each set of ubuntu CDs I distribute every day : "Sorry, unlike in previous version, there is no office suite usable on breezy, so you may consider using an unofficial unsupported repository, or taking the up2date suse rpm with alien, or better : installing OOo1". -

Please do not give me some links to how-to install OOo2 stable, I exactly know how to do the unofficial way.
In this particular case, the how-to should be : apt-get update; apt-get upgrade.

Sorry to be so crude, but I really like ubuntu and I consider this lack as an inconstitency in its policy.

Paul

PS : I give you this 10th bugs found (moreover I do not use OOo2 really often) :
start OOo2, clique File > Wizards > Web page
and enjoy your crash. In some particular cases it will work after 30 seconds of cpu at 100%, in others it would just loop until you kill it.

[23meg]

It won't be included in the main repositories. There's only a chance that it may be backported.
Sorry to be so crude, but I really like ubuntu and I consider this lack as an inconstitency in its policy.On the contrary, it's consistency; the policy is not to provide any updates except security ones, to increase distro stability.

[tassou]

Ok.
So what is considered as a security update ?
Because I could probably find plenty of way to crash a OOo2 session, and to anoy the end-user.

If there were a flaw that could permit to remove some files in the user home directory, would it be considered as a security issue that would need an update ?

Anyway, even if it is not a security update, updating OOo2 would be straightforward and would increase distro stability. While not doing so preserves the poor stability when using the office suite.

So it is still inconsistant to me :)

Backports are aimed to provide *new versions* of software. OOo2 stable is *not* a new version, it is the same as the beta with bugfixes.

By and large, doing so leads every ubuntu users to install OOo1 from repositories, or to add unsupported foreign repositories (very bad IMHO), or for the more experimented - to skip the packaging manager and to install it by hand -.
Result : deprecated version, or newest version with pakaging integrity broken. Is it what you wish to ubuntu users ?

I still think it is a big problem. Shipping beta was a bad idea but not planed, now they can fix this mistake, it is time to do so :razz:

Thanx

Paul

[towsonu2003]

I have to agree to this one, although I'm not angry or frustrated as the poster...

my OOo2 keeps crashing as well (2 crashes in last 5 uses -ok I used it 10 times at most after fresh 5.10 install :) ), and I would appreciate the stable OOo2 in the main as bug fix / security update as well.

Or, (knowing that this is not very probable after seeing firefox 1.5 being backported -in future- but not in main) I am also okay with waiting a couple of months for Dapper, no big deal, but that's because I'm not a heavy 'office' user (->used OOo2 10 times in last 2 months in ubuntu). :)

good luck...

PS. What does Debian stable users do with their old software, for god sake? <= joke
PS2. I think we (newbies) are a little bit too much used to the Windows style of updating?

[tassou]

Sorry, I was not angry neither frustrated :D
- I am more likely a bad french english-user ;) -

The point is that ubuntu (and breezy in particular) is the only desktop distro that do not care that much about the office suite provided.

I am a latex fan, and the only reason why I sometime launch open office 2 is to provide direct and quick support to peoples from my school that installed breezy recently (following my advice).

I know that when we get involved in more fundamental issues, we quickly forget the newbies problems. This is a HUGE one, and I can not understand that ubuntu does not take more in consideration that it is the only desktop distro that does not include proper, official AND working OpenOffice2. I repeat myself, but it is fully inconsistent with its policy.

Meantime, ubuntu offers a high level of quality and usability that I really appreciate when I urge newcoming people to use a linux distro :)

[23meg]

Ok.
So what is considered as a security update ?An update that fixes a security flaw which may lead to control of any aspect of the distro to be compromised.

If there were a flaw that could permit to remove some files in the user home directory, would it be considered as a security issue that would need an update ?If it were proven to be a software flaw that removed those files against the user's will, it would.

Backports are aimed to provide *new versions* of software. OOo2 stable is *not* a new version, it is the same as the beta with bugfixes.Wrong; anything except security and showstopper updates normally provided by Ubuntu qualifies for backports. Note that backports are now official, though.

Your best bet is to search the backports forum to see if there's a request already (I bet there are more than five), and if not, place a request.

[jdong]

Your best bet is to search the backports forum to see if there's a request already (I bet there are more than five), and if not, place a request.

there have been at least 5 requests... It's not in Dapper yet, and after repeatedly trying to contact the Openoffice maintainers for Ubuntu, could not come up with a good reason for it.

In the meantime, the repository:

deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2 ./


provides Openoffice 2.0 final packages. They are made by the primary Openoffice guy here at Ubuntu, so they're high-quality packages. Why he hasn't uploaded that to Dapper yet, don't ask me! :)

A lot of us share your frustration... we don't blame you.

[jdong]

PS : I give you this 10th bugs found (moreover I do not use OOo2 really often) :
start OOo2, clique File > Wizards > Web page
and enjoy your crash. In some particular cases it will work after 30 seconds of cpu at 100%, in others it would just loop until you kill it.
This problem still happens. I'll file a bug report for it, as this is a serious problem...


Note that bugs aren't necessarily permanently stuck in Ubuntu stable releases. There are "-backports" and "-updates" repositories for that. "-backports", maintained by me and the Backports Team, brings new versions from the in-develop version back to the stable version. "-updates" isolates fixes for serious bugs (like the kind you reported) and brings these specific patches back to the stable version. Both are able to solve this problem once the developers address it in some way.

BTW, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20404 is the bug I filed on your behalf.

[arnieboy]

not a bug in my case. upgrade to OO2 with automatix. things work minus any probs.

[jdong]

not a bug in my case. upgrade to OO2 with automatix. things work minus any probs.
Interesting... how does Automatix install OOo2 final? Using the ooo-debianize scripts and OOo official binaries? people.ubuntu.org/~doko?

Even doko's packages suffer partly from a 1-minute stall during this procedure, so it seems like it may be a Ubuntu patch that causes it.

[tassou]

Even doko's packages suffer partly from a 1-minute stall during this procedure, so it seems like it may be a Ubuntu patch that causes it.

ok I apologize for what I said, if this one does not depend upon the revision of OOo but on an ubuntu patch. Tested on official gentoo OOo2 stable : no bug neither.

[jdong]

Hmm, that means it may be a patch that Ubuntu applies that causes the issue.

Though the build number for openoffice shows up as 129, the Ubuntu developers did patch it up quite a bit, such that it's extremely close to the final release.


Now, if we can only isolate what patch is causing this behavior....


In the Gentoo package, did you compile with USE="gnome", and verify that GNOME integration works?

[arnieboy]

Interesting... how does Automatix install OOo2 final? Using the ooo-debianize scripts and OOo official binaries? people.ubuntu.org/~doko?

Even doko's packages suffer partly from a 1-minute stall during this procedure, so it seems like it may be a Ubuntu patch that causes it.
yes it uses doko's repos to upgrade to OO2 final. havent faced any issues yet..

[tassou]

not compiled for this one, used the precompiled one made by gentoo (I am trying to fight global warming ;) ) but with the gnome flag , yes.
I am afraid that one is unlikely to be really a bug, as if I start again a web page wizard, it takes only 5 seconds to come. Sorry, maybe it is only a poor piece of code in OOo2.
What about you ? Here for my last test on breezy with OOo2 beta :
- 1st start : 40 seconds to come
- 2nd start : 5 seconds

on gentoo it seems to be quicker, but the behaviour is roughly the same.
But when I opened this thread, no wizard would come at all after clicking on Web page ... maybe only a bad coincidence.
Thanks again.

paul

[jdong]

Just weird... I don't know if the Webpage wizard uses Java or somthing, because we know that Ubuntu's GCC Java is inherently slow...


NOTE: the Gentoo precompiled Openoffice is the same as openoffice.org's binaries.