Ubuntu Homework

[Mobus]

I am a Junior attending Euclid High School, and recently in English class, Our teacher had us write a sonnet in the style of Shakespeare. He told us that most sonnets back then were written about love, and it would be a good idea for us to write about love. So, I wrote about a true love of mine. Enjoy!


Ubuntu Linux us the greatest one
True operating system that I know.
And better than any other it run,
And it makes Microsoft look really slow.
The Macintosh makes me so sad and blue,
It makes me want to throw it in the trash.
And after I have given it the shoe,
I smash it until it is mash.
So many other Spin-offs there have been
Solaris BSD and UNIX old,
But they are out before they are even in,
So which OS has set me in my mold?
Ubuntu Linux is the only true
one operating system for me'n you!

-MGD

[commodore]

BSD rulez! Macintosh is based on BSD and mach so it's a ruling too.

[Mobus]

Ok. There is no way Macintosh is based of BSD. That is plain out ridiculous. BSD came out WAY after Mac, if anything Mac is based off UNIX, which BSD, and also Linux, also happen to be based on. In fact, there are even a few idiots who think windows was based off of Mac, which was based off of UNIX, but that is for macintosh loving idiots. Mac is not based off BSD, it is nothing more than its cousin. I have never used BSD before, but I have used Mac, and I must say, there is nothing I hate more than Macintosh. I had to sit in a computer lab for 45 minutes today for math class and that was torture dealing with the stupid mac. Sorry, but Macintosh is crap.

P.S. I really don't have a problem with Solaris, BSD or UNIX, in fact, I've been thinking of trying them in my computer maybe. I said nothing of their crappiness. I only said they were old.

[ubuntu27]

Ha ha ha ha! Good hob Mobus!!
WEll done. Nice poem :D

[Mobus]

Thanks, thanks much. I just turned it in to my teacher yesterday. I should have my grade in a few days.

[jrib]

Good job! I enjoyed reading that, thanks for this. Maybe your teacher will be intrigued and install ubuntu, and then it may spread to your whole school!

[Mobus]

Yeah, I tried spreading Edubuntu around my mom's school, but that never worked, and the only way I can actually convince people to move to linux is tell them that its free and it works well... wait... already tried that... they complain about school funding problems... and still waste money installing windows? I just need to hack in to a few computers and show them how great linux is, and that its free. It might take awhile, but I think it may be possible. Anyway, thanks for all the great feedback.

P.S. MY mom told me when I told her she should have linux, "Not every should have linux!" then I said, you know mom, you're right, because then us linux users wouldn't have anyone to laugh at.

[commodore]

Mac OS X was made in 1999 (I think, about that time) and it is based on Darwin and Mach. Darwin is based on BSD. BSD is not a UNIX workalike, it actually has UNIX code in it. The first version of BSD was made somewhere in the 1970's.

If you don't believe me then check this:
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/
It's the site where you can download the source code of darwin. It's mac without the apps.

This site tells you on what is darwin based on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29

And this site tells you when BSD was made:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsd

[Mobus]

OK. I will admit I was wrong about the dates, but there is still no way Mac is based off of BSD. They are two different operating systems, totally cousins. Just because the latest version of Mac came out after the first version of BSD means nothing. Mac was based off of UNIX, not BSD.

And I also do not trust Wikipedia as a source for reliable information because any idiot can come in and completly write an entirely false article about something.

[arpunk]

Mubus, you are wrong, Darwin is indeed based on BSD...
Darwin integrates a number of technologies, most importantly Mach 3.0, operating-system services based on 4.4BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution), high-performance networking facilities, and support for multiple integrated file systems.
Straight from http://developer.apple.com/darwin/

[Mobus]

Was the first Apple based off of BSD? No, only the new MAC OS X. Thus Macintosh is not based off of BSD, only OS X.

[commodore]

OS X IS Macintosh. What do you call it then? Apple OS X? It's Macintosh.

[arpunk]

Was the first Apple based off of BSD? No, only the new MAC OS X. Thus Macintosh is not based off of BSD, only OS X.
*sigh*, could you PLEASE read a bit more before write such statements?, BEFORE Mac OS X goes Darwin, and Darwin IS derived from BSD...

[majikstreet]

And I also do not trust Wikipedia as a source for reliable information because any idiot can come in and completly write an entirely false article about something.
So you're saying that you could come in and edit something on Wikipedia?

[Mobus]

Exactly. I've done it before. I have posted information in there that I thought was accurate when I posted it, but I found out later that what I posted was inaccurate. This doesn't make me an idiot, but it does make those who purposely put inaccurate information on wikipedia.

And MAC OS 9 was not based off of BSD. You did not read my post, because I agreed with you that MAC OS X is based off of BSD, but that [b][i]MACINTOSH[\b][\i] OS 9 and under were thus not. But now I hate BSD, And I never want to try it on my computer. Ever. For the same reason why I would never install MAC OS 1-9 or Apple of any kind. I refuse to even install Itunes, I only use Quicktime to veiw certain movies that are only available in .mov format, simply because its MAC based. So there. MAC OS X, which I believe is the worst Apple Operating system yet, is based off BSD, which must mean that BSD is crap,

[commodore]

I didn't say Mac OS 9 was based on BSD.

You say BSD sucks because Mac OS X is based on it? You just hate it because you don't like Apple? You hate it because everyone else is using Apple stuff? You hate it because you can't manage with Mac?

If you think Apple is crap maybe I could live with it, but when you say BSD is crap with no reason then you're wrong.

[Mobus]

Mac OS 9 is macintosh isn't it? is it Apple OS 9?

If anything could Sire something so foul as MAC OS X, then it must be crap. period. that's not wrong. I don't hate apple because everyone else is using it, I hate it because its crap.

[graphic23]

Mac OS 9 is macintosh isn't it? is it Apple OS 9?

If anything could Sire something so foul as MAC OS X, then it must be crap. period. that's not wrong. I don't hate apple because everyone else is using it, I hate it because its crap.

Please justify your answer. I've used Apple (and I like Linux better) and I think its great if its used for things such as videos, music, etc. I dislike it because at times [not always] i'm lost by the UI but I think if i was to become a regular Apple user, i would rather be used to it, and i dislike Apple, Inc. because they have not yet supplied quicktime or iTunes for linux. But I am happy that Mac OS X uses *nix as a base and stuff. So, until you will provide examples/justification as to why you hate it, your opinion is invalid.

As for hating BSD because Apple is based off of BSD, that is just a really senseless sentence without any reason behind it (if there is, you have failed to mention it).

[commodore]

You like Linux don't you? BSD and Linux are very similar actually. If you hate BSD you should try hating Linux too.

[Mobus]

Yes, I've seen the disgusting themes that people make to make their linux look like MAC OS X, and I hate it. I know there are similarities, but they are only cousins, as I once thought BSD was, which gives me no reason to hate linux. OBviously, using both I can easily tell that linux is worth using, but Macintosh is just stupid. As for Macintosh being good for graphics and media, maybe, but hey, stupid systems are for stupid people. And I'm happy that iTunes hasn't come out for Linux, because that would mean the stupidest program would be on the smartest system, so it probably wouldn't work, and would screw up too many computers. Macintosh is stupid, and if you can't see that... well... I will let the crapintosh speak for itself.

[commodore]

Actually BSD is smarter but GNU/Linux has other qualities that still keep GNU/Linux the best. And iTunes is a good mp3 shop. You better not dowload your music. Buying them from iTunes is a lot better idea.

I'll try to stop arguing with you now. I don't want you to hate me. I just don't want you to hate Macintosh and Apple. But you can hate what you want. I wont bother you again with this topic.

[Tab]

Kid, you're ridiculous. What are your reasons for hating Mac OS X? I can say with a fair degree of certainty that it probably has nothing to do with the Darwin kernel or any other lower-level, non-UI mechanics of the system. As such, you have no basis for disliking BSD, since the BSD kernel is what went into Darwin. Learn a little bit about how operating systems work before you spout off about them.

Windows IS heavily based on the original Mac GUI, to the point of Apple bringing up a lawsuit against Microsoft for their blatant and abject ripping of Apple's UI design. The original Macintosh OS was not based on any variant of Unix, but was developed entirely in-house as a proprietary system.

"Unix" no longer refers to any one individual operating system. You can't go home and install Unix on your PC. Instead, Unix refers to the set of OSes that derive from the original Bell Labs UNIX. This includes Solaris and the BSDs (and by extension, OS X). This is in contrast to Linux, which, while considered a Unix in the sense that it is POSIX compliant, is simply an OS built from scratch to behave like Unix.

And I also do not trust Wikipedia as a source for reliable information because any idiot can come in and completly write an entirely false article about something.So you're saying that you could come in and edit something on Wikipedia?Exactly.
:lol:

[Mobus]

That Is Not Fair To Not Put The Whole Quote!

I may be an idiot, but at least I can understand why MAC stinks! unlike you guys, who are in a state of mind to be lulled into Apple's colorful computers and silly little iPods.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/16

[Vidar]

That Is Not Fair To Not Put The Whole Quote!

I may be an idiot, but at least I can understand why MAC stinks! unlike you guys, who are in a state of mind to be lulled into Apple's colorful computers and silly little iPods.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/16

Hahaha, you're a laugh. :D

... now cut it out, you're just making yourself look bad.

[IYY]

OS X is not for stupid people, it's for people who are not interested in computers. They don't want to spend their time playing around with it. They just want a machine to do their work on.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Yes, I've seen the disgusting themes that people make to make their linux look like MAC OS X, and I hate it. I know there are similarities, but they are only cousins, as I once thought BSD was, which gives me no reason to hate linux. OBviously, using both I can easily tell that linux is worth using, but Macintosh is just stupid. As for Macintosh being good for graphics and media, maybe, but hey, stupid systems are for stupid people. And I'm happy that iTunes hasn't come out for Linux, because that would mean the stupidest program would be on the smartest system, so it probably wouldn't work, and would screw up too many computers. Macintosh is stupid, and if you can't see that... well... I will let the crapintosh speak for itself.

Hmm, is this your 1st time being a junior in high school?

BTW, Linux is stupid and ugly. Mac is so dreamy and kewl.

[commodore]

Mac is just for people who aren't interested in computers? Now I can't get a mac :(

:D

[DigitalDuality]

That Is Not Fair To Not Put The Whole Quote!

I may be an idiot, but at least I can understand why MAC stinks! unlike you guys, who are in a state of mind to be lulled into Apple's colorful computers and silly little iPods.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/16
Well i'm writing this from an Mac Mini dual booting OS X 10.4 and Ubuntu 5.10. So i guess you already know where my opinion lays.

Don't get me wrong.. i love Linux, otherwise i wouldn't be on it right now. But OS X is a solid product. It's BSD base makes stable as hell compared to OS 9, all linux apps are easily ported to it, it embraces open source, and those "needed apps" for office environments like Ms Office work on it as well. It's GUI is amazing. a bit too much "iCandy" ;) for me, but lets face it KDE and Gnome under x-windows looks crippled compared to OS X or even Win XP.

There has NEVER been a virus written for OS X. Not even Linux can say that. Now i'm no fan boy of apple. The iPod has a slick interface but it doesn't support OGG, nor gapless play between tracks. There's many an mp3 player that's superior. They support DRM, don't make versions of Quicktime or iTunes for Linux. They do plenty wrong worthy of criticism, but saying that OS X is a crappy OS is a stretch, especially when you can't come up with a reason other than some crappy cartoon from penny arcade.

The beauty of the Mac is the fact that it embraces two worlds, one in which linux can't seem to penetrate--the average user. You can do alot of the more open, advanced, terminal/buidling/compiling/yadayada on a Mac that you can with Linux, while the average user gets a easy to use interface that's pleasing to the eye.

As for hating Wikipedia and "not trusting it" maybe you should do your research into it. Here, let me help a bit.

Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica | CNET News.com
http://news.com.com/Study+Wikipedia+as+accurate+as+Britannica/2100-1038_3-5997332.html

and a bit into it's inner-workings to understand how fast factual errors, on average-not always, get fixed:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/wiki.html (it's a long read but enjoyable)

Now i don't think wiki's are perfect by any means. But lets be real, if you don't embrace what wiki's stand for (Ubuntu has one right at the top of this page by the way), then why are you using linux? the entire open source initiative is about information being free. It's about collaborative efforts across the globe, and wiki's embrace that to the fullest extent.