Cloud computing

[plun]

Made in Redmond... Azure

http://www.microsoft.com/azure/whatisazure.mspx

Mountain view and Google ?


I am using Dropbox (https://www.getdropbox.com/) and Weave (http://labs.mozilla.com/) for the moment and its great !


Nokia ? Gnome ?

[plun]

More "wood to this fire".... ):P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/CloudComputingStackLarge.svg/250px-CloudComputingStackLarge.svg.png

Another goal is the the blurring of web services and desktop
applications. "Is it a deer? Is it a bunny? Or is it a weblication - a
desktop application that seamlessly integrates the web!" This hare has
legs - and horns - and we'll be exploring it in much more detail for
Jaunty. We have already laid some foundations for weblications in the
online services discussions that took place in Prague, but since we
fully expect those services to ship in 9.04 the discussion will be that
much more intense in Mountain View.


https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-September/000481.html




I think its great with some thinkings about how....

[ronacc]

this will certainly open up a lively debate if nothing else . I'll save my comments for when the shouting starts :lolflag:

[ShirishAg75]

That weave stuff looks cool, but weave requires to have your own server (for pretty good reasons) but it would be nice to be able to delegate or have a profile just for testing and having a service-provder for the same.

Infact I would go a little more and even want to select which passwords and which boorkmarks I want to retain on my desktop and which I want to share with a weave server (of course the server should be openssl)

I would love to know if somebody has tried weave and is willing to share his/her experience with us.

[plun]

this will certainly open up a lively debate if nothing else . I'll save my comments for when the shouting starts :lolflag:

Well...then we needs even more wood..:D

Stallman: Cloud computing is 'stupidity'

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10054253-92.html


A demo from MS playground Channel 9

Hello cloud... a simple module

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/smarx/Windows-Azure-Hello-Cloud/


@ShirishAg75
Weave is for the majority just a plugin to FF3, you login and uploads your stuff or download. Works great.

[ronacc]

Ok you added more wood I'll throw on the "match"
I agree with Stallman . There are some limited places where it makes sense but as a model for " the future of computing" it is a terrible idea .
to his objections I will add that I have no use for a computer that turns into a ( insert your favorite vegatable here) if I am not "connected".
The vast improvement in computing came about when the personal computer broke the mainframe / dumb client model that had existed in the 1950 s and 60 s
to return to that model would be stupid .
As Stallman implys but does not specificly say , centralsed power means centralised control, is that what we in the FOSS community really want?
The cloud should be an enhancement of and extension for the "local desktop" not a replacement for it .
I greatly fear that if we plunge "whole hog" into the cloud we will not like the result .
Hows that for adding some "petrol" ?

[plun]

Hows that for adding some "petrol" ?

Well we already has it.....

"Or is it a weblication - a
desktop application that seamlessly integrates the web!" This hare has
legs - and horns - and we'll be exploring it in much more detail for
Jaunty."

Jaunty is "weblications" ):P

At least IMHO....

Probably the most stupid mistake we can do is listen to RMS !

You already uses "clouds" with different widgets...

[Jay_Bee]

Thanks, but no thanks. I like my weather sunny, and my applications and documents on my local machine.

[ronacc]

Well we already has it.....



Jaunty is "weblications" ):P

At least IMHO....

Probably the most stupid mistake we can do is listen to RMS !

You already uses "clouds" with different widgets...

We should "listen" to him and take what he says as something to consider not necessarily as "gospel writ in stone ".

Yes and those widgets are exacly what I said , enhancements .

and as I said there are places where the "cloud" makes sense and is infact "the way to go " . Distributed apps such as SETI or Folding and online storage of PUBLIC information are a couple of those .Email or for that matter this forum are a couple more ,they wouldn't exist without the "cloud".

[Gourgi]

i've found a firefox plugin called foxmarks (http://www.foxmarks.com/) which has some of weaver's enhancments



Seamlessly Sync changes to your bookmarks and passwords (optional) across all your computers
Automatically Backup your bookmarks after every change
Always Have Access to your bookmarks on our website.
option for saving bookmarks and passwords by profile (e.g. work , home ...)

Password Synchronization (http://wiki.foxmarks.com/wiki/Foxmarks:_Password_Sync#How_it_Works) uses AES 256-bit encryption algorithm.
There are also instructions for using/creating your own sync server (http://wiki.foxmarks.com/wiki/Foxmarks:_Using_Your_Own_Server)

this seems short of _cloud_computing_ to me
what do you think?

[plun]

We should "listen" to him and take what he says as something to consider not necessarily as "gospel writ in stone ".

Yes and those widgets are exacly what I said , enhancements .

and as I said there are places where the "cloud" makes sense and is infact "the way to go " . Distributed apps such as SETI or Folding and online storage of PUBLIC information are a couple of those .Email or for that matter this forum are a couple more ,they wouldn't exist without the "cloud".

Ok, a lot of "consensus" :grin: ... I think clouds are necessary, also in full range.

One analyst from Gartner group posted this

The Evolution of the Cloud Computing Market

http://blogs.gartner.com/thomas_bittman/2008/11/03/the-evolution-of-the-cloud-computing-market/




I’ve had a number of posts on the structure of the cloud computing market, (Can A Cloud Computing Provider Be Too Massive?, Is Google the Mainframe of Cloud Computing?, Partly or Mostly Cloudy?) and I’m getting more and more comfortable talking about three major phases of market evolution. Very simply, I think they look like this:

Phase 1: Monolithic (Early). Early cloud computing services will be based on proprietary/internal architectures – islands of cloud services delivered by megaproviders. This is what Google, Salesforce and Microsoft look like today.

Phase 2: Vertical Supply Chain (2+ Years). Over time, some cloud providers will leverage cloud services from other providers (for example, ISVs moving into SaaS on top of Microsoft’s Azure Services Platform, use of Force.com, use of Google App Engine). Still proprietary islands, but ecosystems starting to build.

Phase 3: Horizontal Federation (4+ Years). Smaller providers will federate horizontally to gain economies of scale (and efficient use of assets) – also, enterprises will leverage horizontal federation for peak capacity (overdraft protection, cloudbursting). There will be more choices at each layer of cloud computing, and standards will gain momentum.

Again, very similar to the development of the overall server market.



But for sure it must be done in a smart way...do you trust MS-Redmond ?

[ronacc]

no and I don't trust google that much either, absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely .

[Carl Hamlin]

Gotta go with Stallman on this one - I'll keep my data on hardware I control as much as possible, thanks.

[teh603]

Ok you added more wood I'll throw on the "match"
I agree with Stallman . There are some limited places where it makes sense but as a model for " the future of computing" it is a terrible idea .
to his objections I will add that I have no use for a computer that turns into a ( insert your favorite vegatable here) if I am not "connected".
The vast improvement in computing came about when the personal computer broke the mainframe / dumb client model that had existed in the 1950 s and 60 s
to return to that model would be stupid .
As Stallman implys but does not specificly say , centralsed power means centralised control, is that what we in the FOSS community really want?
The cloud should be an enhancement of and extension for the "local desktop" not a replacement for it .
I greatly fear that if we plunge "whole hog" into the cloud we will not like the result .
Hows that for adding some "petrol" ?I tend to agree with Stallman. Cloud computing may be the latest development, but it reeks of any number of kinds of bad mojo.

First off, I doubt that the whole horizontal scaling thing will work. Schools and universities will get it, so they can spy on their teachers and students; and government bodies will get it for the same reasons. But inertia being the default state of human existence, people will still go with the Microsofts and Googles instead of trying to make their own providers.

Second, what's to stop a server from running DRM sweeps regularly, and a provider from filing lawsuits based upon its own criteria of Premium Content, based upon data gleaned from those sweeps?

Third, whose data is it anyway? What's to stop a provider from having an "its your data until we decide we can make a profit from it, at which time it becoms our data" clause in the TOS and EULA?

And those are just the ones that jump straight into my head. I'm sure there's any number of more insidious uses that the Gates Empire is already thinking up.

[miwaypet]

Cloud computing, centralized control, and web top/cell phone device is the future. You will be assimilated.

The Azure project is for enterprise. Live Mesh (https://www.mesh.com/Welcome/Default.aspx) Is the future for every one else.

Mark Shuttleworth told us that Ubuntu was going to "look like" the Mac. You think he means the appearance. Sorry to burst the bubble. He means to take our OS and build a mixed open Linux/proprietary system like Jobs did with Unix.

Money. Can't keep bleeding it forever. Has to come from somewhere.

This is where we are headed, like it or not!

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

[lee.jarratt]

Cloud computing, centralized control, and web top/cell phone device is the future. You will be assimilated.

The Azure project is for enterprise. Live Mesh (https://www.mesh.com/Welcome/Default.aspx) Is the future for every one else.

Mark Shuttleworth told us that Ubuntu was going to "look like" the Mac. You think he means the appearance. Sorry to burst the bubble. He means to take our OS and build a mixed open Linux/proprietary system like Jobs did with Unix.

Money. Can't keep bleeding it forever. Has to come from somewhere.

This is where we are headed, like it or not!

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

But that would contradict everything he has said previously, and contradicts the Ubuntu project's goals and beliefs.

You seem so sure, and I'd like to know why.

[lisati]

i've found a firefox plugin called foxmarks (http://www.foxmarks.com/) which has some of weaver's enhancments



Seamlessly Sync changes to your bookmarks and passwords (optional) across all your computers
Automatically Backup your bookmarks after every change
Always Have Access to your bookmarks on our website.
option for saving bookmarks and passwords by profile (e.g. work , home ...)

Password Synchronization (http://wiki.foxmarks.com/wiki/Foxmarks:_Password_Sync#How_it_Works) uses AES 256-bit encryption algorithm.
There are also instructions for using/creating your own sync server (http://wiki.foxmarks.com/wiki/Foxmarks:_Using_Your_Own_Server)

this seems short of _cloud_computing_ to me
what do you think?

Foxmarks is now Xmarks (http://www.xmarks.com/).

BTW: I'd be worried if my microwave had to connect to the internet in order for it to work out how long it should run to heat up last night's left-overs!

[teh603]

Foxmarks is now Xmarks (http://www.xmarks.com/).

BTW: I'd be worried if my microwave had to connect to the internet in order for it to work out how long it should run to heat up last night's left-overs!

Ironically, the most commonly-used voting machine system in the US does everything through the internet, from voter verification to actually recording the vote. And it has "easy to use" touchscreens.

The most secure system has no internet connections either, and people complain because it doesn't have an easily breakable touchscreen.

[Taiebot65]

I think if cloud computing was existing it would be like a facebook application on my desktop where i could allow/reject people to see my files and videos like an easy access server. And even i do think this will be a revolution if everybody could do that with light speed internet using optical fibre.

for sure i will not pay again to have access to the cloud..

[phenest]

I'm another that agrees with Stallman.

What is the need for cloud computing anyway? There are plenty of applications that do not require an internet connection to work.

[lee.jarratt]

Well, as far as cloud computing goes, I like Prism by Mozilla.. That's taking us a step in the right direction, but I still prefer the traditional way..