Re: Beginners Team

[nynoah]

I really wish there was no way to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10. This whole place is going to turn into a giant snarl of "I upgraded and it locked my computer". Nothing against you. But I think it is irresponsible of Cannonicle to not give a warning that if you are running anything but a STANDARD ubuntu install that you will most likely have problems with an upgrade.

What has happened to you is your proprietary video drivers did not upgrade with your normal distro upgrade. This could have been avoided by turning off your proprietary drivers prior to reboot. I have discovered that trick after installing anything that messes with them. Say like adding studio Ubuntu or Kubuntu to my setup. The settings of your proprietary driver will not reset correctly with your upgrade. They need to be redownloaded from the Ibex repos.

But this whole thing is not known till after you go oopps.

I wish the board admins would make a sticky telling some of the stuff I just posted. It sure would do a lot to help with the WHOLE Ubuntu community. All these problems with upgrades whether they are Canonicles fault or not don't matter. It causes the perception that Ubuntu is unstable. When really this is avoidable.

[bodhi.zazen]

I moved you post to FH&F

My comments are:

1. Upgrading an OS, any OS has the risk of breakage. Ubuntu is no different and really is better then some.

2. You should probably give your thoughts and feedback to the developers on Launchpad or in the development discussion threads.

3. This is what Beta testing is for, so people can test and report bugs. Since you seem interested I would encourage you to participate in this process.

4. There is no need to upgrade and upgrading any OS always has risk of breakage. There is a balance between running cutting edge and stable and various distros handle this in different ways (Debian stable, Centos vs Fedora, etc).

5. If you think about it, it is inappropriate to hold Ubuntu (or any open source developer) responsible for the stability or usability of "proprietary video drivers". Although I agree with your observations, these complaints should be directed at ATI/Nvidia. Ubuntu is more then compiz or desktop effects and although these things are nifty, I consider them to be somewhat beta in that there are issues from time to time ;).

6. With each release we post known issues and known solutions, see the Hardy sticky for example. One will become available for Intrepid in the next few hours / days. If you would like to contribute you are more then welcome.