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-grubby
October 28th, 2008, 12:49 AM
In the Cafe, I think there are too many stickies, it feels cluttered, and I think I remember a staffer saying once that they try to keep stickies to a minimum

Ones I believe you could safely remove are :


UbuntuForums IRC Channel - Why aren't YOU there? - There are plenty of people in IRC already
It's the annual Ubuntu Forums Halloween party! - Halloween is soon to be over
Interviews with UF members - There is a long wait between interviews, possibly you could just bump the thread when a new interview is released

schauerlich
October 28th, 2008, 12:54 AM
I think we should sticky this important request.

LaRoza
October 28th, 2008, 12:55 AM
Do you want me to resticky this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=925361

-grubby
October 28th, 2008, 12:57 AM
I think we should sticky this important request.

We're going to run out of glue at this rate..

yabbadabbadont
October 28th, 2008, 05:06 AM
It wouldn't be bad except that vBulletin insists on displaying the stickied threads at the top of every single page.... :x

CreatePHPBB only shows them at the top of the first page. Perhaps there is an option somewhere that could change this behavior?

urukrama
October 29th, 2008, 05:04 PM
I was about to suggest the same thing.

chucky chuckaluck
October 29th, 2008, 06:00 PM
i agree. i would also suggest that niche threads, like the halloween thread, should never be stickied. it undercuts the forum's desire to be taken seriously and professionally.

aysiu
October 29th, 2008, 06:04 PM
I don't think there should be any hard-and-fast rules about how many stickies there are, but there should be a general guideline, and I think that guideline should be 1 permanent sticky per subforum and 1 or 2 temporary stickies (announcements that are time-sensitive).

Basically, and this is especially true for those of us with netbooks but also true for others, you shouldn't have to do a lot of scrolling down to get to the first unstickied thread.

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 06:20 PM
i agree. i would also suggest that niche threads, like the halloween thread, should never be stickied. it undercuts the forum's desire to be taken seriously and professionally.

The forum wants to be useful and friendly more I think ;)

Many professional organisations have celebrations.

I think if any are coming down, it would be the screenshot thread.


I don't think there should be any hard-and-fast rules about how many stickies there are, but there should be a general guideline, and I think that guideline should be 1 permanent sticky per subforum and 1 or 2 temporary stickies (announcements that are time-sensitive).

I found that three stickies total was the optimum max. Any more and they are harder to pick out and are less noticable.



Basically, and this is especially true for those of us with netbooks but also true for others, you shouldn't have to do a lot of scrolling down to get to the first unstickied thread.
Yes, when I am using my Dell 910, I use the page down key a lot :)

aysiu
October 29th, 2008, 06:26 PM
Right now, Community Cafe has six stickies and frankly, if I had my way, I'd get rid of all of them. None of them is a crucial you-must-read-before-posting kind of thread. We've got a screenshot thread, a social groups thread, a Halloween party thread, Ubuntu member ranks, IRC, and interviews. Those are all interesting threads, but why should they be stickied? I have no idea why.

In Absolute Beginner, we also have six stickied threads. I'd say we can get rid of all of those except New to Ubuntu? Start here... and Forum DO's and DON'T's

aysiu
October 29th, 2008, 06:26 PM
Right now, Community Cafe has six stickies and frankly, if I had my way, I'd get rid of all of them. None of them is a crucial you-must-read-before-posting kind of thread. We've got a screenshot thread, a social groups thread, a Halloween party thread, Ubuntu member ranks, IRC, and interviews. Those are all interesting threads, but why should they be stickied? I have no idea why.

In Absolute Beginner, we also have six stickied threads. I'd say we can get rid of all of those except New to Ubuntu? Start here... and Forum DO's and DON'T's

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 06:28 PM
Right now, Community Cafe has six stickies and frankly, if I had my way, I'd get rid of all of them. None of them is a crucial you-must-read-before-posting kind of thread. We've got a screenshot thread, a social groups thread, a Halloween party thread, Ubuntu member ranks, IRC, and interviews. Those are all interesting threads, but why should they be stickied? I have no idea why.

In Absolute Beginner, we also have six stickied threads. I'd say we can get rid of all of those except New to Ubuntu? Start here... and Forum DO's and DON'T's

I agree.

I pushed to have some removed a while back, because the information was in the guide to forum features.

See Chit Chat.

chucky chuckaluck
October 29th, 2008, 06:53 PM
I think if any are coming down, it would be the screenshot thread.


the screenshot thread, though actually useful to a lot of people, doesn't need to be stickied to stay at the top of the first page.

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 07:18 PM
the screenshot thread, though actually useful to a lot of people, doesn't need to be stickied to stay at the top of the first page.

Useful to a lot of people? Hardly. Used by a lot of people though.

The staff are (hopefully...) going to do a sticky audit to make the forums less cluttered and the stickies more useful.

chucky chuckaluck
October 29th, 2008, 07:50 PM
Useful to a lot of people? Hardly. Used by a lot of people though.


'useful' is relative. while screenshots don't address the function of one's desktop, they certainly concern software that is available in ubuntu and does concern the appeal of a linux desktop. i'd still put it above the halloween thread in terms of usefulness.

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 08:09 PM
'useful' is relative. while screenshots don't address the function of one's desktop, they certainly concern software that is available in ubuntu and does concern the appeal of a linux desktop. i'd still put it above the halloween thread in terms of usefulness.

Well, the halloween one isn't a recurring thread that gets stickied every month.

To me, the screenshots thread is just a place for people to post inappropriate images and large images.

KiwiNZ
October 29th, 2008, 08:09 PM
It is desireable to have the screen shot sticky . Before we had it adhered we would get a proliferation of new Desktop threads. The sticky has stopped that.

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 08:12 PM
It is desireable to have the screen shot sticky . Before we had it adhered we would get a proliferation of new Desktop threads. The sticky has stopped that.

A screenshot thread, sure, but why do we need a thread that is constantly updated stickied?

chucky chuckaluck
October 29th, 2008, 08:22 PM
To me, the screenshots thread is just a place for people to post inappropriate images and large images.

if any of the images are inappropriate (in violation of the coc, that is), aren't you charged with dealing with them?

Ripfox
October 29th, 2008, 08:22 PM
The Halloween thread is the kind of thing I think keeps this forum human. Don't take the fun one down :(

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 08:26 PM
if any of the images are inappropriate (in violation of the coc, that is), aren't you charged with dealing with them?

Yes, that is why I don't like it. Reports with large images in them, reports with inappropriate images in them. They are a pain.

The Halloween thread has no such issues.

chucky chuckaluck
October 29th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Yes, that is why I don't like it. Reports with large images in them, reports with inappropriate images in them. They are a pain.

The Halloween thread has no such issues.

violations of forum rules don't make a thread in which they appear any less useful. i don't think those violations would stop if the thread was unstickied.

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 08:44 PM
violations of forum rules don't make a thread in which they appear any less useful.
Perhaps, but it attracts them.



i don't think those violations would stop if the thread was unstickied.
No, it wouldn't, but I don't think a thread that attracts such posts should be stickied.

aysiu
October 29th, 2008, 08:46 PM
It is desireable to have the screen shot sticky . Before we had it adhered we would get a proliferation of new Desktop threads. The sticky has stopped that.
I promise you if it gets unstickied and people keep making new screenshot threads that I'll merge them together. You know how good at merging threads I am. There's absolutely no reason to sticky that thread.

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 08:47 PM
I promise you if it gets unstickied and people keep making new screenshot threads that I'll merge them together. You know how good at merging threads I am. There's absolutely no reason to sticky that thread.

+1

Being a sticky doesn't help, being an established forum thread does.

chucky chuckaluck
October 29th, 2008, 08:55 PM
Perhaps, but it attracts them.

attracts them? how, by flaunting its open spaces?


No, it wouldn't, but I don't think a thread that attracts such posts should be stickied.

the percentage of inappropriate pics is probably pretty small. in a thread that is so popular with so many members using it appropriately, it's probably well worth the effort to keep it clean and healthy.

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 08:58 PM
the percentage of inappropriate pics is probably pretty small. in a thread that is so popular with so many members using it appropriately, it's probably well worth the effort to keep it clean and healthy.

Probably? It is very high, compared to other stickies.

chucky chuckaluck
October 29th, 2008, 09:05 PM
Probably? It is very high, compared to other stickies.

it may well be. i doubt, however, that the number one concern when determining a sticky is how many violations it's apt to get.

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 09:12 PM
it may well be. i doubt, however, that the number one concern when determining a sticky is how many violations it's apt to get.

Well, a sticky is supposed to be a thread worth keeping at the top of the forum. The "LaRoza: Male/Female" thread is used quite often, but it is no way worthy of being stickied.

It doesn't matter. In a month, when we upgrade the forum as announced a week ago, the ability to post images will be removed from this forum to help reduce storage space and improve bandwidth.

KiwiNZ
October 29th, 2008, 09:29 PM
A screenshot thread, sure, but why do we need a thread that is constantly updated stickied?

as I said before it was stickied the were new threads created constantly .The sticky stopped that

Folks know where it is and use it. Also its a great promotional tool to show case what can be done to make Ubuntu a visual feast

Elfy
October 29th, 2008, 09:45 PM
In a month, when we upgrade the forum as announced a week ago, the ability to post images will be removed from this forum to help reduce storage space and improve bandwidth

I didn't see that anywhere - I never could see the wood for the trees.

Was it a sticky - if so that'll be why I've not seen it yet

aysiu
October 29th, 2008, 09:48 PM
as I said before it was stickied the were new threads created constantly .The sticky stopped that

Folks know where it is and use it. Also its a great promotional tool to show case what can be done to make Ubuntu a visual feast
Can we make that the only sticky in the Cafe, then?

Seriously. Have mercy on us Eee PC owners (I have a 701 with a 7" screen and 800x480 resolution).

KiwiNZ
October 29th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Can we make that the only sticky in the Cafe, then?

Seriously. Have mercy on us Eee PC owners (I have a 701 with a 7" screen and 800x480 resolution).

I do

on my 24" screen :):p

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 10:03 PM
as I said before it was stickied the were new threads created constantly .The sticky stopped that

Folks know where it is and use it. Also its a great promotional tool to show case what can be done to make Ubuntu a visual feast

Ok.


I didn't see that anywhere - I never could see the wood for the trees.

Was it a sticky - if so that'll be why I've not seen it yet

A text only forum is only a dream of mine. I thought it would be obviously a joke :-)

snova
October 29th, 2008, 10:10 PM
Honestly LaRoza, I can't tell whether you're joking sometimes. :)

I'm still not certain about what you said a few days ago about PM screamers...

I could do with fewer stickies, myself.

My thoughts on the screenshot thread is that it should remain a sticky lest somebody not notice it and start another thread with similar intents. (I think that's what KiwiNZ is saying.)

PS. Thank you for cleaning up the Programming Talk stickies.

LaRoza
October 29th, 2008, 10:20 PM
Honestly LaRoza, I can't tell whether you're joking sometimes. :)

Ah, that is good. Sometimes I can't tell either.



I'm still not certain about what you said a few days ago about PM screamers...

Good. It will keep you on your toes :evil:



PS. Thank you for cleaning up the Programming Talk stickies.
You noticed? You're welcome :-)

aysiu
October 29th, 2008, 10:24 PM
I do

on my 24" screen :):p
You're a cruel, cruel man.

pp.
October 29th, 2008, 10:26 PM
You're a cruel, cruel man.

Cruel? With a resolution of 800@480 px2 on a 24" screen?

KiwiNZ
October 29th, 2008, 10:29 PM
Cruel? With a resolution of 800@480 px2 on a 24" screen?

no 1900 x 1200 :)

Canis familiaris
October 30th, 2008, 05:24 AM
I think only the screenshot thread should be sticky.

no 1900 x 1200 :)

1920 x 1200 I think?

chucky chuckaluck
October 30th, 2008, 06:01 AM
A text only forum is only a dream of mine.

[ah]elinks[/choo!]


I thought it would be obviously a joke :-)

sadly, it's quite believable.

schauerlich
October 30th, 2008, 06:03 AM
A text only forum is only a dream of mine.

http://ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=960863&page=5

cyberdork33
October 30th, 2008, 04:21 PM
sadly, it's quite believable.
yea had me going for a second too.

Canis familiaris
October 30th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Well done Forum Staff. There is now only one sticky in the Cafe and only 3 in Absolute Beginner's Talk.

ubuntu-freak
October 30th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Shouldn't K.Mandla's 'sticky' in the AB sub-forum be titled "Found a problem? File a bug report."? As opposed to "Find a problem... " etc.

lukjad007
October 30th, 2008, 06:35 PM
Should I start a Save the Stickies thread?

Canis familiaris
October 30th, 2008, 06:36 PM
Should I start a Save the Sickies thread?

Of course. We need to help Sick people.

lukjad007
October 30th, 2008, 07:53 PM
of course. We need to help sick people.
:p

-grubby
October 31st, 2008, 12:52 AM
Who removed the stickies? Whoever did, thanks.

schauerlich
October 31st, 2008, 01:07 AM
Who removed the stickies? Whoever did, thanks.

I did.

Joeb454
October 31st, 2008, 01:13 AM
Should I start a Save the Stickies thread?

Go ahead - we can sticky it too if you like?

urukrama
October 31st, 2008, 11:21 AM
Thank you for removing some of those stickied threads.

lukjad007
October 31st, 2008, 11:51 AM
Go ahead - we can sticky it too if you like?
Save the Stickies! (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=964794)

Nano Geek
October 31st, 2008, 02:23 PM
Opinion time! :)

I don't think that the Halloween thread should have been unstickied. Since it only lasts about a month and it is an announcement...sort of, it seems that it qualifies to be a sticky.

LaRoza
October 31st, 2008, 02:25 PM
Opinion time! :)

I don't think that the Halloween thread should have been unstickied. Since it only lasts about a month and it is an announcement...sort of, it seems that it qualifies to be a sticky.

I think the Halloween thread was up way too early.

Oh well. It is over now.

Nano Geek
October 31st, 2008, 02:31 PM
I think the Halloween thread was up way too early.

Oh well. It is over now.But todays the day. :(

LaRoza
October 31st, 2008, 02:40 PM
But todays the day. :(

I'm surprised...you supporting an originally pagan holiday that is now commercialised.

Nano Geek
October 31st, 2008, 03:10 PM
I'm surprised...you supporting an originally pagan holiday that is now commercialised.Well, if we're going down that road, Christmas is technically a pagan holiday that is now a commercialized holiday too.

LaRoza
October 31st, 2008, 03:14 PM
Well, if we're going down that road, Christmas is technically a pagan holiday that is now a commercialized holiday too.

Christmas is a Catholic Holy Day ;) It has a secular side, which is heavily commercialised, but that is not what Christmas is.

koenn
October 31st, 2008, 05:11 PM
Well, if we're going down that road, Christmas is technically a pagan holiday that is now a commercialized holiday too.


Christmas is a Catholic Holy Day ;) It has a secular side, which is heavily commercialised, but that is not what Christmas is.

Christmas is a Christian holiday superimposed over pagan celebrations of the winter stolstice, in particular
the celebration of Sol Invictus during the Roman Empire
the Yule celebrations in Germanic Europe

LaRoza
October 31st, 2008, 05:16 PM
Christmas is a Christian holiday superimposed over pagan celebrations of the winter stolstice, in particular
the celebration of Sol Invictus during the Roman Empire
the Yule celebrations in Germanic Europe

Rather than extinguishing local festivities, the Church was for all people and didn't try to do culture changes. This results in diversity and a lot of history behind events. There are many modern celebrations that have elements of many other cultures in them in the Church. Many of them have been used by people with commercial interest. The worst, I think, is Easter.

aysiu
October 31st, 2008, 05:40 PM
I think part of the problem is a lack of explicit guidelines as to what constitutes sticky worthiness.

People tend to be of the opinion that any thread worth viewing or any thread making an important point should be a sticky.

I don't agree with that approach at all. I created a thread called Is Ubuntu for You?
For a while, it was a sticky in the Absolute Beginner section. Eventually, to clean up the clutter of stickies, someone proposed removing it and linking to it in the New? Start here... sticky post instead. I had no problems with that move.

I still think that thread is important for new users to read and still relevant after several years of it existing. But it should not be stickied.

There are too many important threads that "everyone should read" for them all to be stickied. If people want to create lists of "These are the top 50 threads everyone should read," then create that list. But we are not going to sticky 50 threads.

I don't think we should even sticky 3-6 threads. The more stickies you have, the less impact they each have. Not to mention that they just get annoying if you have to keep scrolling over them to get to the real content.

I think every subforum should have one closed thread stickied at the top that says "Read this first" and has links to all sorts of threads that would be interesting for a new users to read. And then there would be timed stickies of important but time-sensitive announcements (no more than 2, preferably 1 or 0).

koenn
October 31st, 2008, 05:42 PM
Rather than extinguishing local festivities, the Church was for all people and didn't try to do culture changes.

I think it was more something of a "you will be assimilated, resistance is futile" type of thing.

LaRoza
October 31st, 2008, 05:43 PM
I think part of the problem is a lack of explicit guidelines as to what constitutes sticky worthiness.

I think so also. To me, a sticky should be useful (not interesting). Index stickies are the best I think, unless something needs to be announced, like the short term forum upgrade information, or changes in policy.



I don't think we should even sticky 3-6 threads. The more stickies you have, the less impact they each have. Not to mention that they just get annoying if you have to keep scrolling over them to get to the real content.

I think every subforum should have one closed thread stickied at the top that says "Read this first" and has links to all sorts of threads that would be interesting for a new users to read. And then there would be timed stickies of important but time-sensitive announcements (no more than 2, preferably 1 or 0).

+1 With some exceptions. Some forums, like the programming talk, have a lot of useful threads to be included, and an attempt to put them in one resulted in confusion. Either a massive post, or too many levels. (There are two now)

urukrama
November 1st, 2008, 04:03 PM
Wouldn't the Ubuntu Members Ranks (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=445211) sticky in the Community Cafe fit better in the Forum Feedback and Help forum? I've often wondered what it was doing in the Cafe.

snova
November 1st, 2008, 06:17 PM
I think we need one more sticky in Community Cafe Games to remind people not to post gaming issues there.