is linux going to catch up with gui?

[EnGorDiaz]

*sigh* i have seen amny linux os's they say there are over 30 million computers with linux on it so whats the deal? no good gui this is not a bad question to flame or anything but icons all thast jazz arent the best looking are we going to improve and if when

ok seeming as some ppl think im flaming linux im not


lets see this is the question im asking some of the gui differences between linux and the paid os's im asking if we have any plans for some good gui changes aswell i want to also learn how to make themes myself and program certain programs so i can improve the community myself

are there any gtk or other pages i can look at? for this also lets discuss cool widgets what cool widgets can beat windows and mac in general

[lukjad007]

Ummm... I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you saying you don't like the icons of Ubuntu, or just Linux in general?

Are you saying that XP/Vista have an edge because they look better?

[del_diablo]

I think the *******(sounds better than it instead of he) is talking about the general GUI. Like feeling the lack of proper "GUI only" stuff, like completely avoiding the uber terminal for doing task.
Or its a reffereance to the default Ubuntu GUI(the 2 bars setup you get upon install). Its fully costumizeable so i guess its impossible to flame that.

[hessiess]

CLI's are more efficient because you don't waste huge amounts of time wading through a seemingly endless number of menus and tabs. Neather are you berried in a sea of features you never use. With a command line, if you don't use a feature, you forget the command, so you don't have to concern yourself with it.

In the case of a support forum like this one, its MUCH easier to ask someone to run a few commands than to try to explain how to do the same thing using the GUI.

Personally I couldn't give a **** what something looks like so long as it works *fast* i.e. NO ANIMATIONS.

[d_skillz]

CLI's are more efficient because you don't waste huge amounts of time wading through a seemingly endless number of menus and tabs. Neather are you berried in a sea of features you never use. With a command line, if you don't use a feature, you forget the command, so you don't have to concern yourself with it.

In the case of a support forum like this one, its MUCH easier to ask someone to run a few commands than to try to explain how to do the same thing using the GUI.

Personally I couldn't give a **** what something looks like so long as it works *fast* i.e. NO ANIMATIONS.

Unfortunately if that viewpoint were shared by let's say 90% of the PC Userbase then Mac & Windows would be obsolete. The MAJORITY of users need a GUI to interact with the systems in an uncomplicated way, they also need MOST things to JUST WORK without having to tinker with it. That's what has held up Linux & BSD for so long, not the innovations that they have developed but the impracticality of using the various distributions. Ubuntu is the future of Linux getting mainstream. CLIs are NOT

[phoenix_snake]

*sigh* i have seen amny linux os's they say there are over 30 million computers with linux on it so whats the deal? no good gui this is not a bad question to flame or anything but icons all thast jazz arent the best looking are we going to improve and if when

well most linux systems are on the server so they don't need anything pretty there, but yeah I agree with you, the linux desktop is ugly.

kde 4 is pretty though, but not the kubuntu version, I tried the openSUSE 11.1 beta and it looks nice. kubuntu is just the default kde, I mean they didn't ever bother with their own login screen and desktop wallpaper. :confused:

so in the future just wait for kde 4 to get stable and use that if you continue using linux, that is what I would do probably cause gnome is just disgusting. :(

[Le-Froid]

I think the GUI looks pretty good - here's a screenshot of KDE 4

edit: That came out too small, heres a link: http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssrz6.jpg

[EnGorDiaz]

yes alot of gui's look good i agree with alot here what about default im just talking about some os's here ubuntu itself looks good to a certain degree

[EnGorDiaz]

Ummm... I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you saying you don't like the icons of Ubuntu, or just Linux in general?

Are you saying that XP/Vista have an edge because they look better?

oh god no

[EnGorDiaz]

I think the *******(sounds better than it instead of he) is talking about the general GUI. Like feeling the lack of proper "GUI only" stuff, like completely avoiding the uber terminal for doing task.
Or its a reffereance to the default Ubuntu GUI(the 2 bars setup you get upon install). Its fully costumizeable so i guess its impossible to flame that.

im not flaming here im asking about future because mac and vista are planning some very big changes to gui as we have seen so far which some of them are completely crap

[EnGorDiaz]

I think the GUI looks pretty good - here's a screenshot of KDE 4

edit: That came out too small, heres a link: http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssrz6.jpg

nice bsd

[mick222]

Ubuntu can look good using compiz emerald awn etc . But i agree with the poster it just needs that little bit of polish out of the box.
AS for cli's Great for the forums gets things done quickly, but a lot of users especially windows ones rely on the gui to do most things and can't be bothered to remember lots of terminal commands.

[K.Morgan]

I have been using Ubuntu now for the past year exclusively and have to agree that eventhough it can be customized to look and feel the way you want there's still some serious issues with the GUI on applications in particular. Most applications on Linux compared to the same versions on other OS's just don't look as good, which tells me that the underlining code for the GUI isn't as good otherwise we would have much better looking themes and applications. Take Firefox for instance, look at the way it looks on a Mac or Windows, then look how it looks on Linux, and this is the same for all applications, the Linux version will always look the most basic

I know there are some amazing graphic designers out there creating amazing mock-ups for themes and such but none of those mock-ups ever transfer well once they have been coded. Maybe it's Gnome and KDE just not being quite there yet, i don't know, but i have yet to find a theme that i have thought looks really good.

[EnGorDiaz]

I have been using Ubuntu now for the past year exclusively and have to agree that eventhough it can be customized to look and feel the way you want there's still some serious issues with the GUI on applications in particular. Most applications on Linux compared to the same versions on other OS's just don't look as good, which tells me that the underlining code for the GUI isn't as good otherwise we would have much better looking themes and applications. Take Firefox for instance, look at the way it looks on a Mac or Windows, then look how it looks on Linux, and this is the same for all applications, the Linux version will always look the most basic

I know there are some amazing graphic designers out there creating amazing mock-ups for themes and such but none of those mock-ups ever transfer well once they have been coded. Maybe it's Gnome and KDE just not being quite there yet, i don't know, but i have yet to find a theme that i have thought looks really good.

exactly they need to make the gui more compatible with the applications it warrants

[sach]

im not flaming here im asking about future because mac and vista are planning some very big changes to gui as we have seen so far which some of them are completely crap

Unfortunately I think its one of the core problems that will always plague large open source projects - collaboration between many parties makes it difficult for large/radical/fundamental changes to be made. Can you imagine gnome deciding to reinvent the taskbar like MS is doing with Windows 7 - if they did, it would take ages before there was some sort of consensus on how to do it.

Take for example of the Human theme - there are tons of people calling for change, many people working on it and yet there is little consensus on the direction it should take. There are exciting project (Dust for instance) but there is nobody with the responsibility to make the final decision

[Niva]

Catch up? IMO there are things linux does better and always has. While the CLI is not for everyone it works for some and the process takes a while but little by little the CLI functions are making it into GUIs.

I have no ideas why you guys are flaming at Gnome. Calling something "crap" qualifies as flaming in my book. I've tried KDE and I'm not impressed with the stability. I prefer Gnome over KDE but I know this is strictly a personal preference and I won't call KDE or Xfce crap, I'm glad they're there and available as options.

Yeah, openSUSE does integrate and modify both KDE and Gnome but I've seen no major difference between their implementations and the default ones.

I also prefer simple and fast and a lot of the polish is not for me. I know that the vast majority of PC users will disagree with this but it's just how I feel about it.

[cardinals_fan]

I like how my desktop looks.

[meborc]

if you want eyecandy and nice gui's, use kde4 or enlightenment or smth...

WHY do people always think that we need to be the same as the commercial OS's? Linux is different... accept it! that does not mean it has to be ugly, but i don't think it is... i think it is productive!

If you see something you want to change, contact the person that runs the project... threads like this don't benefit the development in any way... if you do some reading you will find out why the GTK has had problems over the years and where people are going with it...

take a look at enlightenment development... try kde4

there is a choice

[bxcrx]

If you ever get a chance you should check out Mark Shuttleworth's blog (http://www.markshuttleworth.com/). He stated that he wishes to make Ubuntu have a more consistent UI that could rival MAC OSX in the next 2 years.

[Merk42]

If you ever get a chance you should check out Mark Shuttleworth's blog (http://www.markshuttleworth.com/). He stated that he wishes to make Ubuntu have a more consistent UI that could rival MAC OSX in the next 2 years.

Too bad I doubt the GNOME devs will let that happen.

[meborc]

Too bad I doubt the GNOME devs will let that happen.

well... we just might need to switch to enlightenment then :D that would be fun

[phoenix_snake]

well... we just might need to switch to enlightenment then :D that would be fun
yes and by doing that all your "normal" users the ones who aren't good in computers will suffer cause they have to learn something new again.

[lukjad007]

well... we just might need to switch to enlightenment then :D that would be fun
I don't know. I like the GNOME look as it is.

[meborc]

yes and by doing that all your "normal" users the ones who aren't good in computers will suffer cause they have to learn something new again.

well, if gnome would make big changes in GUI the same would happen

oh, and if the gnome devs don't like it, we can always fork it to a new project

[Merk42]

I don't know. I like the GNOME look as it is.

But given these sort of threads keep coming up, a lot of people don't like it.

Even if Ubuntu had unlimited time/funds/options, it's impossible to come up with a look everyone would like since it's so subjective.

My previous signature stated it well:
"No matter what is chosen for Intrepid's default look there will be people that hate it"

Unfortunately what was chosen was a minor tweak to Hardy et al. I was still correct though, since a lot of people hated that decision.

[chips24]

i made a classic windows theme and a classic mac theme, those arent bad...

[smartboyathome]

well... we just might need to switch to enlightenment then :D that would be fun

And then the Enlightenment devs would get mad at Ubuntu because its not technically released as stable yet, and they don't want "curious people" using it. Oh well, though, theres always KDE4! And to those that don't like KDE4 and think this is a flame, this is for you: I haven't liked any of the KDE's, and use Enlightenment.