Props to Pardus Linux

[shahgols]

Hi all,

It's my habit to download and install in vmware new distro releases and distros that I have not installed before. Well, yesterday I downloaded Pardus and am most impressed. Impressed enough to take it out of vmware and install it on my computer. Anyways, as good as they are, I'm surprised that they are not more popular! So here I am spreading the love, and if you are like me and like to install distros and play around with them, then try Pardus and let me know what you think.

[dragobr]

That's good to hear! But would you mind sharing with us some features of this distro?

I've tried to go to their page, but it doesn't say that much...

[shahgols]

Hi there, and sorry for not posting some information about Pardus. Duh.

To be honest, I don't think that I am qualified to give a detailed analysis of any linux distro, but here's a review for you to read through. If you have any other questions, let me know.

http://bulletspawn.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/pardus-2008-review/

[sethvath]

Turkish is better supported than English on Pardus. Best thing about it compared to ubuntu is the fast boot times.

[Vitamin-Carrot]

Im going to give this a try when i get home after work

[billgoldberg]

Kde? No thanks.

[shahgols]

Im going to give this a try when i get home after work

Cool, please let me know what you think of it.

[shahgols]

Kde? No thanks.

Oh come on dude, it's not that bad. :lolflag:

KDE actually looks pretty polished in Pardus...it doesn't look too colorful.

[bodhi.zazen]

Moved to other OS talk.

I took Pardus for a spin last 18 months ago and although it is popular and I am glad you like it , IMO it is a niche distro and I was not impressed enough to install. At that time hardware recognition was not that good and it was therefore slow to boot and X needed to be manually re-configured. Never did get around to installing it.

Let us know how it goes ;)

[shahgols]

I took Pardus for a spin last 18 months ago and although it is popular and I am glad you like it , IMO it is a niche distro and I was not impressed enough to install. At that time hardware recognition was not that good and it was therefore slow to boot and X needed to be manually re-configured. Never did get around to installing it.


Red flags going up...what do you mean? :(

Hardware detection was great on my machine, it picked up on everything. And boot time is great too. Maybe things have changed since 18 months ago.

[cardinals_fan]

I think that the security policy adopted by Pardus (wheel=admin) is absolutely unacceptable, but that's just me.

[bodhi.zazen]

Red flags going up...what do you mean? :(

Hardware detection was great on my machine, it picked up on everything. And boot time is great too. Maybe things have changed since 18 months ago.

That means Pardus did not detect my hardware, so X failed (no gui).

I know how to configure X myself, and so re-wrote /etc/X11/xorg.conf

[sertse]

*Is typing this from Pardus*

I've only tried it from 2008 onwards, but Pardus detected everything and worked OOTB for me. Must of improved a lot.

I personally find it one of the most polished KDE distros. Though with distro nowadays is hard to pin point specifically distro X was over distro Y, especially for general purpose distros. But its just all "comes together" really well for me, and that matters in the end isn't it. =)

There's also isolated reports that it works pretty well on the aspire one, if you're into that.

A very underrated distro imo.

[shahgols]

I think that the security policy adopted by Pardus (wheel=admin) is absolutely unacceptable, but that's just me.

Didn't know that. Thanks for pointing that out.

[shahgols]

That means Pardus did not detect my hardware, so X failed (no gui).

I know how to configure X myself, and so re-wrote /etc/X11/xorg.conf


I see what you mean now. I thought that you had meant something else and that scared the crap out of me since I am not technically savvy. Anyways, give Pardus 2008.1 a try, I think that it's probably much more improved since you last tried it.

[Sorivenul]

The wheel=admin, to me, is one of the only downsides of Pardus. However, much has changed in 18 months. If I'm recalling correctly, and I have another post in this forum stating something similar, up to the 2007 release Pardus was loosely based on Gentoo. The 2008 release dropped that entirely, as far as I can tell from documentation and discussion, and this is a great move in the right direction for them.

[cardinals_fan]

The wheel=admin, to me, is one of the only downsides of Pardus. However, much has changed in 18 months. If I'm recalling correctly, and I have another post in this forum stating something similar, up to the 2007 release Pardus was loosely based on Gentoo. The 2008 release dropped that entirely, as far as I can tell from documentation and discussion, and this is a great move in the right direction for them.
I wrote a Pardus review on my blog. That was for the 2008.0 release, so hopefully they've fixed a few things, but I had a couple serious annoyances. Aside from the truly bizarre permissions, their support for NVIDIA graphics cards was a fiasco. The 'Display Manager' didn't correctly install the drivers, and the bug for that issue was closed because "You should use Display Manager".

[pelle.k]

I think that the security policy adopted by Pardus (wheel=admin) is absolutely unacceptable, but that's just me.
That is so old. It's polkit authorization by now, just like in ubuntu. Oh, and the first user account you may choose *not*
to be an administrator account, *unlike* say in ubuntu.
IMO it is a niche distro and I was not impressed enough to install.
At least it's no another fork of ubuntu/debian/mandriva/fedora/opensuse. pisi is damn nice if you play with it a bit. creating packages is a piece of cake. The overall system is very lean, but i could use some work, i agree.
I love the python/XML combo used in pretty much everything at the system level. You'll hate that if you're a *sh freak though.

[sertse]

I curious what it's meant by niche. Pardus is intended to be pretty general use distro..

Niche to me is something like DSL or Puppy (old computers), specialist utilities (Gparted CD, Parted Magic) or stuff like Linux Gamers DVD (designed to show off gaming).

[medic2000]

I from Türkiye its homeland of Pardus. Although its developed by "National Electronics and Cryptology Research Institute" Pardus is known and used little in Türkiye. Its a shame that we have a distro ease to use and based on GNU/Linux used only by a minor fraction.

Windows still widely used in Türkiye. Most of them illegal of course. Though it has high licencing charges it is used in community workplaces. Our govermon web sites stinks. Like they are from 1995 :) We have talented programmers, designers. Why do they keep to make their websites whose only know one browser IE and only html?

I hope it will change but when? Our goverment must realize( i am saying to you Recep Tayyip Erdoğan :mad: ) so many things. And act swiftly into a computer revolution.

[claretsfan]

I haven't posted in this forum for ages, but I feel I've got to say something here- as someone whose been using Pardus for the past year.

The real wow-factor for me is its looks. The fonts are beautiful in a way that I've only managed to get in Mint, Pardus and Sabayon, despite many, many hours of trying different tips, from many different forums. I still can't fathom what it is, but Pardus has got it!

Otherwise, it's stable (for me, anyway) fast enough (I dual boot with Sidux and there is a difference but not much, really (much faster than Sabayon or vanilla Ubuntu for example) and everything works out of the box for me, other than a straightforward Nvidia install- no harder than Ubuntu/Mint etc. The odd query I've had has been dealt with very quickly and courteously by their forum members (just like here!)

The PISI packaging is a bit different to apt/dpkg, but it's quick and straightforward enough. The repositories are not vast, but I've yet to find anything that I'm short of.

There is a live cd to try at http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/download.html , though this is separate from the install cd.

All in all, I can't recommend this enough, after 4 years of linux use and over 30 installed distros

[cardinals_fan]

That is so old. It's polkit authorization by now, just like in ubuntu. Oh, and the first user account you may choose *not*
to be an administrator account, *unlike* say in ubuntu.

I like to do most of my system administration through the CLI, and wheel membership is very valuable to me.

I never said that Ubuntu was the role-model for security - I don't think it should be.

[sertse]

Well yea, but the original assertion was that Pardus' security was "absolutely unacceptable" as a reason Pardus is bad. That is no longer a valid opinion.

Perhaps not as good as you personally prefer it, but that fact that is now comparable to Ubuntu (and I guess many other distros) means there is no reason to single Pardus out. You just have particular personal wants etc

I suppose some of us get offended at any bad comments made about our distros. ;) However that's the beauty of choice :)

[cardinals_fan]

Well yea, but the original assertion was that Pardus' security was "absolutely unacceptable" as a reason Pardus is bad. That is no longer a valid opinion.

Perhaps not as good as you personally prefer it, but that fact that is now comparable to Ubuntu (and I guess many other distros) means there is no reason to single Pardus out. You just have particular personal wants etc

I suppose some of us get offended at any bad comments made about our distros. ;) However that's the beauty of choice :)
*emphasis mine*

There is no such thing as an unbiased opinion, or one that is valid for everyone. It is a valid opinion for me and anyone who has similar opinions, likewise your opinions are valid for you and anyone who agrees with you.

To be fair, I actually think that Pardus is the best "beginner" distro I've used in a long time. Xubuntu would still beat it for now, but once they fix their NVIDIA issues and maybe reconsider that security policy, Pardus could be my #1 graphical-wizard distro. I've always thought that the Kaptan wizard was ingenious - who worries about default wallpapers when the default is whatever you choose after the first login?

[pelle.k]

but once they fix their NVIDIA issues and maybe reconsider that security policy
I agree about NVIDIA being a pain to set up in pardus.
Also, i actually agree that the security model in ubuntu/pardus is lacking, but with polkit that is easily remedied. With time, that will probably happen since it allows for very fine grained allow/deny preferences. It also separates sudo/cli access from GUI access, so the advanced user may still customize sudo access should he want to.

[mhmrcs]

NVIDIA is a pain to set up? Since when is running a package manager, clicking a few boxes, apply changes and restarting your computer "a pain"? Ubuntu is no better.

Also, "beginner" distro? If Pardus is for "beginners" as you say, what on earth is Ubuntu? Ubuntu is the genesis of beginners, thats the only reason it has such a large share of the Linux population.

PRDS4LYF

[pelle.k]

All i said was that according to my own experience...
That doesn't mean it's true for everyone.
I am *not* saying ubuntu is any better ;)

[cardinals_fan]

NVIDIA is a pain to set up? Since when is running a package manager, clicking a few boxes, apply changes and restarting your computer "a pain"? Ubuntu is no better.

Also, "beginner" distro? If Pardus is for "beginners" as you say, what on earth is Ubuntu? Ubuntu is the genesis of beginners, thats the only reason it has such a large share of the Linux population.

PRDS4LYF
The display manager (which is the official method for installing the closed source NVIDIA drivers) failed when I tried Pardus 2008. I was not the only one with such issues. As for installing from the package manager and running "nvidia-xconfig", that also failed.

I use the term "beginner" distro because I personally prefer more manual distros such as Arch and Slackware. However, there could be times when I need a distro with out-of-the-box GUI tools. That is where a "beginner" distro can be useful.

I don't understand all the comparisons to Ubuntu. I never expressed a deep love for Ubuntu, did I? Xubuntu is my top "beginner" distro at the moment, but it is more a lesser evil than a personal favorite.

[mhmrcs]

That is not, I repeat, not, the "official" method for Pardus, there are three methods that I know of. One using Konsole, one using the Package Manager (search Nvidia under New Packages and click on nvidia-xconfig > Install Packages), and the other using the Display Manager.

I mention Ubuntu because its hipocritical that someone would be such an adamant member of Ubuntu (>1000 posts), yet have the audacity to declare Pardus a "beginners" distro, if you meant to say OOTB distro, you should've said Pardus is a good OOTB distro > you said "beginners". As if it were such newbie distro for retards, there is much more functionelle in OOTB distros (wider variety of packages) than your half-useful, time-consuming Slackware/Arch. A "beginners" distro is <always> useful, and can get things done faster than an "advanced" distro, as well as satisfy aesthetics.

Unless you're extremely sad, posting over 1300 posts on Ubuntu does seem to express a connection with Ubuntu.

[pelle.k]

As if it were such newbie distro for retards
Tomatoe, tomato. I don't think that is how he meant it.

there is much more functionelle in OOTB distros (wider variety of packages) than your half-useful, time-consuming Slackware/Arch.
Ouch! Look, were getting of topic here. Your opinion is noted ;)

[cardinals_fan]

That is not, I repeat, not, the "official" method for Pardus, there are three methods that I know of. One using Konsole, one using the Package Manager (search Nvidia under New Packages and click on nvidia-xconfig > Install Packages), and the other using the Display Manager.
http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=7407

That page is for 2007.x. You shoul use Display Manager to configure your video hardware in 2008.


I mention Ubuntu because its hipocritical that someone would be such an adamant member of Ubuntu (>1000 posts), yet have the audacity to declare Pardus a "beginners" distro, if you meant to say OOTB distro, you should've said Pardus is a good OOTB distro > you said "beginners". As if it were such newbie distro for retards, there is much more functionelle in OOTB distros (wider variety of packages) than your half-useful, time-consuming Slackware/Arch. A "beginners" distro is <always> useful, and can get things done faster than an "advanced" distro, as well as satisfy aesthetics.

I put the word "beginner" in quotes specifically because I think it is a misused term in most Linux communities. However, it is a fairly common term, and I expected most people to understand it better than "out-of-the-box distro", which tends to imply a large number of legally dubious codecs and proprietary components.

I have no problem with "beginner" (or, just for you, "out-of-the-box") distros. However, that doesn't mean that they are more effective for me. I respect your decision to use one, you could try respecting my decision to use something else.

Unless you're extremely sad, posting over 1300 posts on Ubuntu does seem to express a connection with Ubuntu.
Wow, thanks for calling me sad. I really appreciate it. Of course, you could have considered the fact that this forum is a busier and more interesting place than most others, making it desirable regardless of the distro used, but apparently that didn't occur to you at the time. Let's try to keep it civil, and avoid baseless assumptions about others.