OpenOffice 3.0 To Ship With Intrepid

[GuitarRocker2562]

For those of you that want OpenOffice 3.0 shipped with Intrepid, post on this request (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/267376) that you want it included. Also, I attached a poll for curiosity.

[int]

For me:

It's prefer to delay Intrepid 1week that don't ship with OO.o 3.0.

[GuitarRocker2562]

I don't think we would really need to, OO.o is very stable for me, there probably are a few bugs, but not too many.

[plun]

Yup....:) "Nema problema"

OpenOffice 3 launch timed perfectly but will Sun, IBM exploit opportunity?

Ubuntu not...:confused::confused:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2992

[victorche]

I also prefer a delay, but to have OOo 3.0 in ;)

As I said in another topic... I can not understand one thing.
The release shedule for OOo 3.0 was known. There are no delays. It was expected. So why not included already? We had the choice to test OOo 3 Beta/RC for months. During the whole Ibex development we are stuck with 2.4.x :confused:

[olskar]

Don't use launchpad for that, a bug has been filed and if you have good arguments for or against you can mention them in the bugreport (if no one have mentioned them before). Please don't spam it with "I want it included!" it is a bugreporting-platform after all, not a discussionforum :)

I voted yes btw.

[klange]

I really want it in there (I don't like having to use PPAs for stuff like this), but OOo 3 was a disappointment for me: Interface is still clunky due to the horrible UI toolkit, GTK integration still sucks, there really aren't that many improvements, etc. etc.

[lukjad007]

No. Stability and testing first. If something is broken, I want it to be my fault. I want a stable, secure system on which to experiment. Backports are a better idea.

[GuitarRocker2562]

Hence the launchpad [Request] prefix, oh, and I didn't start that thread.

[lukjad007]

Ummm... Who did?

[GuitarRocker2562]

I'm talking about the launchpad request.

[Half-Left]

I really think Opeoffice is a overkill and a waste of cd space for a desktop user, Abiword would be better suited. Half the time I think they ship this beast just to look good(look we have a fully fledged office suit by default) which most people wont use anyway, what openoffice writer is what most people would use, if that.

[xebian]

I really think Opeoffice is a overkill and a waste of cd space for a desktop user, Abiword would be better suited. Half the time I think they ship this beast just to look good(look we have a fully fledged office suit by default) which most people wont use anyway, what openoffice writer is what most people would use, if that.

+1. But it should be available from the repos for those who wants it.

BTW, what's keeping you from not downloading directly the debs from OO? I just did, and it's working fine. I don't believe Ubuntu is doing any dev that requires it to be specific to Ubuntu.

Also, the download servers are swamped ( just to show how popular it is :) ), so wait a while.

[jbhannah]

The GIMP 2.6.1 (released last Thursday) is already in Intrepid, and 2.6 has been out for less than two weeks. I'm sure that after four release candidates and with more than two weeks left before Intrepid goes final, OOo 3.0 is stable enough and there's more than enough time to test the heck out of it and get it into apt. :D

[GuitarRocker2562]

Is the final OO just one .deb? Because the RCs were like 20 .debs that needed to be installed all at once via terminal, I was saying that this may put off new users.

[plun]

Is the final OO just one .deb? Because the RCs were like 20 .debs that needed to be installed all at once via terminal, I was saying that this may put off new users.

Yup... "Crazy nerds":)

This is the primary goal for Ubuntu

http://www.librarian.net/stax/2042/do-you-ubuntu/

Great movie and I don't think these kind of users
understands a backport or terminal command for installing deb files.

[r4e]

Also, the download servers are swamped ( just to show how popular it is :) ), so wait a while.

Due to popular demand, OpenOffice.org appears to be down at the moment. However, I found this listing of torrents in Google Cache:

http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:edSt407u6M0J:distribution.openoffic e.org/p2p/classic.html+site:openoffice.org+torrent&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a

[Sef]

I really think Opeoffice is a overkill and a waste of cd space for a desktop user, Abiword would be better suited.

Unfortunately, there is nothing as good as or better than OOo.

[andrewabc]

I really think Opeoffice is a overkill and a waste of cd space for a desktop user, Abiword would be better suited.

ABI doesn't do spreadsheets. Or any of the other things. It is only a writer.
I need calc for my spreadsheets. I don't want to use gnumeric or a bunch of different programs to do all my work. I want one office suite.

If you want abiword by default, use xubuntu.

[Half-Left]

Unfortunately, there is nothing as good as or better than OOo.

I think Abiword and GNUCash should be more than good enough for desktop uses, as you know, desktop users are not office users.

Though I do think it has more to do with marketing than anything else, as said above they would be more than either of window and OS X have to offer.

[Half-Left]

ABI doesn't do spreadsheets. Or any of the other things. It is only a writer.
I need calc for my spreadsheets. I don't want to use gnumeric or a bunch of different programs to do all my work. I want one office suite.

If you want abiword by default, use xubuntu.

It's all about "I" want rather than what most people need, a word processor like abiword will do plenty for what users Ubuntu is aiming at. You may as well call Ubuntu a enterprise edition considering what comes with it.

Though this is the same trend of Windows, need photoshop to edit a few images, need Microsoft office to write a few letters. Openoffice should be optional, it's as simple as that and have some more worthy desktop apps in there instead.

[inportb]

Indeed. And people need a stable office suite more than they need an office suite with all the latest features. Ubuntu's build of OO.o 3.0 currently does not even start up properly for a significant population of Ubuntu users. Yes, the official build works, but we're talking about inclusion into Ubuntu so it is not relevant.

I normally prefer to install the latest stuff, as my usage of pre-release Ubuntu shows. However, I would not compromise stability for anything in an office suite. I would like to know that my documents are safe, and that they would not be corrupted, and that I would be able to open up my word processor when I need to write a paper. I think these are very reasonable desires that're common to many office-centered computer users. At the moment, I can't write anything in OO.o; thank goodness for KOffice, eh?

[mwcrowley]

Not exactly kosher, but I opted not to wait.
Use at your discretion.

wget http://openofficeorg.secsup.org/stable/3.0.0/OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz

tar -xvzf OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz

cd OOO300_m9_native_packed-1_en-US.9358/DEBS/

sudo dpkg -i *.deb

cheers,
Mike.

[GuitarRocker2562]

It's all about "I" want rather than what most people need, a word processor like abiword will do plenty for what users Ubuntu is aiming at. You may as well call Ubuntu a enterprise edition considering what comes with it.

Though this is the same trend of Windows, need photoshop to edit a few images, need Microsoft office to write a few letters. Openoffice should be optional, it's as simple as that and have some more worthy desktop apps in there instead.

You are forgetting many users here. First of all students, students in any grade level need to write essays, and put together powerpoints. People in office jobs need to work on various papers and spreadsheets as well as the occasional powerpoint. All users can benefit from the PDF editor and with Microsoft Office 2007, better compatibility is always good.

[olskar]

We have only two days since the archive will be frozen on Thursday, October 16.


So my guess is that it will not happen.

[sayantandas]

for those who are using intrepid ibex beta and want to upgrade to OO3.0
add the following repo to ur software sources and update

deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main00 2.4.1 will automatically be upgraded to OO3.0

[amppat]

I added packets and installed and is working fine in Intrepid.

I have been using RC-version some time in my Hardy work laptop. The graphics tools work much better in 3.0 than in 2.4 when working with presentations. I feel Open Office 3.0 is a big step in corporate environments.

[calc]

I also prefer a delay, but to have OOo 3.0 in ;)

As I said in another topic... I can not understand one thing.
The release shedule for OOo 3.0 was known. There are no delays. It was expected. So why not included already? We had the choice to test OOo 3 Beta/RC for months. During the whole Ibex development we are stuck with 2.4.x :confused:

The release was known and there were no delays?

Let me just say:

HAHAHAHAHAHA

It was originally supposed to be released on Sept 2. It slipped 6 weeks!

They weren't even certain it would be released on Oct 13 until the previous meeting on Oct 10.

If the original schedule had been to not release it until Oct 13 we would have never planned to put OOo 3.0 into Intrepid at all.

That said I will be uploading openoffice.org 1:3.0.0-2ubuntu1 to the openoffice-pkgs PPA in a few hours after the test build completes. And it will probably go into intrepid-backports in about a month.

Comparison of schedule at time of UDS vs final schedule (http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=OOoRelease30&diff=95872&oldid=76282)

[plun]

That said I will be uploading openoffice.org 1:3.0.0-2ubuntu1 to the openoffice-pkgs PPA in a few hours after the test build completes. And it will probably go into intrepid-backports in about a month.


Well, its really sad if upstream quality is so low.

We will for sure see thousends of Ubuntu users running OO-3 from /opt because of this (direct downloads from OpenOffice).
Also blogs everywhere howto install 00-3.

Thanks for the ppa anyway. Great !:)

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Well, I understand our developers so the only way is that someone writes a mail/letter or contact sabdfl, he can maybe take full resonsibility for a change to OO-3 ?

OO-3 was the last puzzle piece for something really great...:---)

[smartboyathome]

I would say wait and put it in backports. It isn't in Ubuntu's nature to update software of this big a leap this latte in the development. Because of that, I voted "No".

[int]

In my opinion!

I prefer that ubuntu team delay Ubuntu intrepid ~5week to put OO.o 3.0 in main.


The integration/testing of 3.0 in intrepid is not happean today, is since RC2 or less (I think).

But i don't know other implications... (space of the new version, packages depends)

[smartboyathome]

In my opinion!

I prefer that ubuntu team delay Ubuntu intrepid ~5week to put OO.o 3.0.

What will happen then if another "staple" piece of software comes out with a new version, and it is too late to test that, are we to delay it again? I don't think so, because if we do we will never release intrepid. We've got to draw the line somewhere no matter what the software is in order to keep things stable and well tested.

[plun]

I would say wait and put it in backports. It isn't in Ubuntu's nature to update software of this big a leap this latte in the development. Because of that, I voted "No".

I don´t define this as risky... the same packages are within Debians repo.

Thousends with users has been involved in worldwide testing.

But... our developers are just doing what they must so someone else must approve and take full responsibility for a change.

Backports are a bad way to handle this... and tons with users will follow blog articles about downloading from OpenOffice. just a mess...

[int]

What will happen then if another "staple" piece of software comes out with a new version, and it is too late to test that, are we to delay it again? I don't think so, because if we do we will never release intrepid. We've got to draw the line somewhere no matter what the software is in order to keep things stable and well tested.


If this happean, it was my favority release.
One release that updates with new software. (more like debian testing)


For me, exist some key programs that ship with Ubuntu: Kernel, gnome, firefox and OO.o, pidgin, network-manager and related.. And we do everything to maintaining this the must up to date possibly.

[calc]

I don´t define this as risky... the same packages are within Debians repo.

Thousends with users has been involved in worldwide testing.

But... our developers are just doing what they must so someone else must approve and take full responsibility for a change.

Backports are a bad way to handle this... and tons with users will follow blog articles about downloading from OpenOffice. just a mess...

The openoffice.org that is in official Debian is 2.4.1. The openoffice.org 3.0.0 packaging is only in Debian experimental currently, which very few people actually use.

[smartboyathome]

If this happean, it was my favority release.
One release that updates with new software. (more like debian testing)

Find another distro then, that is not ubuntu's style fo release, and never will be.

[int]

Find another distro then, that is not ubuntu's style fo release, and never will be.

Don't be mad... I'm just stressing :9 I'm allways use the dev version, i'm crazy with betas, and new versions and changelogs :)

I dont move to other distro because I love ubuntu, i use since the 1º one. 4.10.

Peace and Love :)

[plun]

The openoffice.org that is in official Debian is 2.4.1. The openoffice.org 3.0.0 packaging is only in Debian experimental currently, which very few people actually use.

No I dont think so in this case. I dont have any download stats from Debians repo, also not for your ppa.

But as I wrote, this is against a "Debian developing culture" which also Ubuntus developers follow (somehow).

I am also are rather sure that the presence result of this poll is what the Ubuntu community wants. We want OO-3 included and takes the bugs to our responsibility.

[calc]

No I dont think so in this case. I dont have any download stats from Debians repo, also not for your ppa.

But as I wrote, this is against a "Debian developing culture" which also Ubuntus developers follow (somehow).

I am also are rather sure that the presence result of this poll is what the Ubuntu community wants. We want OO-3 included and takes the bugs to our responsibility.

Oh there is no question that OpenOffice.org 3.0 is not in main Debian, its a fact:

OpenOffice.org in Debian stats (http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openoffice.org.html)

And by the way I am both an Ubuntu Developer and Debian Developer, I have been a Debian Developer for over 8 years now.

[xebian]

In my opinion!

I prefer that ubuntu team delay Ubuntu intrepid ~5week to put OO.o 3.0 in main.


The integration/testing of 3.0 in intrepid is not happean today, is sice RC2 or less (I think).

But i don't know other implications... (space of the new version, packages depends)

Why delay when OO has never been part of the distro? OO is one of those apps that you can drop it in and will work.

[Polygon]

they cant package it the same way as they can the 2.x series so they have to figure that out first and then test it, it would delay the release i imagine by a bit, but not by much.

and its a shame, but i guess thats what getdeb.net is for

[calc]

they cant package it the same way as they can the 2.x series so they have to figure that out first and then test it, it would delay the release i imagine by a bit, but not by much.

and its a shame, but i guess thats what getdeb.net is for

That's not really the problem, its just that OpenOffice.org releases are generally still fairly buggy so have to be tested out for a couple months before most of the major bugs are found... That is also why there is an upstream 3.0.1 release scheduled for Dec 2. The OOo .0 releases in the past have been too buggy for a stable release of Ubuntu and we have had to update to the .1 release a few months later. On top of that to make sure that there are no regressions for a released distribution all code changes have to be inspected, which causes a lot of extra work.

[Golgoth]

Isn't it possible to have the 2.x and the 3.x releases in the repositories (2.x default one)?

However, it is not a big issue: it's not a so hard to install v3.x via PPAs or ooo debs...

[GuitarRocker2562]

That's not really the problem, its just that OpenOffice.org releases are generally still fairly buggy so have to be tested out for a couple months before most of the major bugs are found... That is also why there is an upstream 3.0.1 release scheduled for Dec 2. The OOo .0 releases in the past have been too buggy for a stable release of Ubuntu and we have had to update to the .1 release a few months later. On top of that to make sure that there are no regressions for a released distribution all code changes have to be inspected, which causes a lot of extra work.

Okay, so now we know the true reason here. So, somebody needs to setup a wiki page on how to intall OpenOffice.org 3.0 from the Backports repository. Calc, you think you can see if we can get it into that repo sooner rather than later.

[plun]

Okay, so now we know the true reason here. So, somebody needs to setup a wiki page on how to intall OpenOffice.org 3.0 from the Backports repository.

Well... everything is relative about "true reasons"

Is it OO-3's direct update and direct extension handle which causes this ?

Michael Meeks writings and "Sun bashing"...:confused:


I will promote this guide instead:

http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/10/14/install-openofficeorg-30-in-ubuntu-804-and-810/


"Over and Out"...

[victorche]

The release was known and there were no delays?

Let me just say:

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Well, you are right. But let me ask you about Flash Player. It was released as final 2 days ago. Was it a known release date?

I don't think so. But Flash 10 was chosen and if the final release was after a month, Ibex would be released with a RC. And as far as I remember Hardy was also released with FF 3.0 RC.

So I still can not understand it. Why FF and Flash can make in as RCs, OOo 3.0 can not?

Don't get me wrong... All I want is to understand the Ubuntu way of deciding this. Not trying to complain or something ;)

[screaminj3sus]

YES!

3.0 is MILES ahead of 2.x it is MUCH faster. This needs to ship with 3.0.

[Shippou]

I'm no fan of OOo (I still use MS Office, please forgive me), but then I think it should ship with Intrepid.

Bleeding edge software is fun, IMO.



SORRY: THIS IS A DUPLICATE POST. PLEASE REMOVE.

[Shippou]

I'm no fan of OOo (I still use MS Office, please forgive me), but then I think it should ship with Intrepid.

Bleeding edge software is fun, IMO.

Except the OS itself. It should be stable and rock solid and lightning fast.

I think the third one matters most.

[ajackson]

Well, you are right. But let me ask you about Flash Player. It was released as final 2 days ago. Was it a known release date?

I don't think so. But Flash 10 was chosen and if the final release was after a month, Ibex would be released with a RC. And as far as I remember Hardy was also released with FF 3.0 RC.
Slight difference being OOo 2.x is stable whereas the flash player (on 64 bit at least) wasn't the most stable of things and being a plugin if it doesn't work right the only damage is with browsing web sites with flash in them.

With OOo 3.0 it is replacing a stable version with a relatively untested version (official testing as quite a few, including me, have been testing it via calc ppa).

Maybe adding it to the main reps as well as OOo 2.x might help the transition so that when the Ubuntu QA/devs are happy The generic OOo package changes from pointing to OOo 2 to OOo 3 thus causing the update without the need for backports.

Still think for a non-LTS a bit more daring was needed but if some linux newbie comes along and tries Intrepid and OOo 3 had a problem they might not give linux another go, so I can see both sides of the argument.

[snowpine]

Buggy Youtube = meh.
Buggy office suite = EPIC FAIL!

[smartboyathome]

Well, you are right. But let me ask you about Flash Player. It was released as final 2 days ago. Was it a known release date?

I don't think so. But Flash 10 was chosen and if the final release was after a month, Ibex would be released with a RC. And as far as I remember Hardy was also released with FF 3.0 RC.

So I still can not understand it. Why FF and Flash can make in as RCs, OOo 3.0 can not?

Don't get me wrong... All I want is to understand the Ubuntu way of deciding this. Not trying to complain or something ;)

The reason Hardy accepted Firefox 3 was because it was a long term release (supported 3 years desktop) and couldn't maintain Firefox 2 for that long. Flash was accepted because it has never been stable on Ubuntu, and the RC was actually a great improvement over Flash 9 due to it actually rendering correctly.

OpenOffice.org, on the other hand, is relatively untested (at least by Ubuntu's standards) and needs to be waited upon for the 3.0.1, as it would probably be more difficult to get the 3.0.1 release in to Intrepid in December.

[howlingmadhowie]

calc is right. there are backports for things like this. ubuntu is now too large and too popular to allow itself a broken office suite.

[olskar]

The release was known and there were no delays?

Let me just say:

HAHAHAHAHAHA

It was originally supposed to be released on Sept 2. It slipped 6 weeks!

They weren't even certain it would be released on Oct 13 until the previous meeting on Oct 10.

If the original schedule had been to not release it until Oct 13 we would have never planned to put OOo 3.0 into Intrepid at all.

That said I will be uploading openoffice.org 1:3.0.0-2ubuntu1 to the openoffice-pkgs PPA in a few hours after the test build completes. And it will probably go into intrepid-backports in about a month.

Comparison of schedule at time of UDS vs final schedule (http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=OOoRelease30&diff=95872&oldid=76282)

Hi!
May I ask (you or someone else?) what the reason is that it will enter backports in a month? Why not earlier? :)

[plun]

Well maybe this is a "shitstorm" but here is the brainstorm

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14433/image/1/ (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14433/)

[Half-Left]

Yer, so much work to get OO.o3 looking and working proper in Ubuntu(loads of patches) only not long before release and late beta, not good in my view.

I think ubuntu has becomes more bleeding edge than ever, it's not just Openffice3 as well, more resources should be put into testing and things important like a Xorg frontend UI is more important than bleeding edge xorg releases that some drivers like ATI dont even support.

[MagicPaul]

so i'm doing the latest beta upgrade and i'm noticing open office packages in there. we shall see...

[notoriousdbp]

so i'm doing the latest beta upgrade and i'm noticing open office packages in there. we shall see...

They are v2.4.1

[sddfdds]

Yea, that was a real bad tease.