Warning 8.10 is too buggy even at Beta to be usable

[jackBnimble]

I upgraded to 8.10 one week ago to explore the newest great stuff. I'm very disappointed and left with a system that is so buggy that I can't get into any Places, Firefox 3 shuts down with regularity, nearly all apps need to be shut down with a force quit, even to shut down. All with nearly no real dif from 8.04. I upgraded as soon as the beta was ready but It's more like Alfa. Thought I would be safe with the real version due out with in three weeks, not! Yes I have been updating daily or more, without any resolves for any of this.
Anyone know if you can un-upgrade with out a new install of 8.04?

[Sef]

Anyone know if you can un-upgrade with out a new install of 8.04?

You have to reinstall.

How well it works depends on your hardware. With me, it works great overall.

[cosborn72]

I upgraded to 8.10 one week ago to explore the newest great stuff. I'm very disappointed and left with a system that is so buggy that I can't get into any Places, Firefox 3 shuts down with regularity, nearly all apps need to be shut down with a force quit, even to shut down. All with nearly no real dif from 8.04. I upgraded as soon as the beta was ready but It's more like Alfa. Thought I would be safe with the real version due out with in three weeks, not! Yes I have been updating daily or more, without any resolves for any of this.
Anyone know if you can un-upgrade with out a new install of 8.04?

I have been waiting on the Release Candidates for my home computer and the full release on my workstation. I have tested betas on other partitions of my home drive, more to help find bugs than to get the lastest and greatest.

All I can say is, there is a reason they are called beta. If linux was Mac OSX, Apple would make you pay for 1.0, then wait for 1.1 before having a stable program.

[ilrudie]

I too have been able to run Intrepid without any problems. It seems very stable to me.

[sonicb00m]

My success with the beta is so so.

The sound card has stopped working since the last updates and after a reboot the desktop won't even load.

I hope all the prolbems are fixed with it soon.

It was running just fine over the weekend.

[dasunst3r]

It's pretty much as stable as Hardy with all updates for me.

[LaRoza]

Moved to Intrepid Ibex Testing and Discussion.

What do you mean "even at Beta"? It isn't meant be used for production systems, but for testing to find bugs.

[homemadejam]

I have recently upgraded to Ubuntu 8.10... and I'm not having any problems with it at all...

Jam

[philinux]

I upgraded to 8.10 one week ago to explore the newest great stuff. I'm very disappointed and left with a system that is so buggy that I can't get into any Places, Firefox 3 shuts down with regularity, nearly all apps need to be shut down with a force quit, even to shut down. All with nearly no real dif from 8.04. I upgraded as soon as the beta was ready but It's more like Alfa. Thought I would be safe with the real version due out with in three weeks, not! Yes I have been updating daily or more, without any resolves for any of this.
Anyone know if you can un-upgrade with out a new install of 8.04?

What are your hardware specs? Have you opened a launchpad account and reported these bugs. Thats what beta testers do.

[dabl]

I upgraded to 8.10 one week ago to explore the newest great stuff.



I would not consider the "upgrade" method anywhere near sufficiently matured to rely on -- I'm surprised it even worked at all. I always install the Alpha and Beta and Daily Build releases from a downloaded ISO image.



I'm very disappointed and left with a system that is so buggy that I can't get into any Places, Firefox 3 shuts down with regularity, nearly all apps need to be shut down with a force quit, even to shut down.



That is a mess, indeed. But it is not representative of the posts on the topic, nor of my own experience with Alpha 5, Beta, and a more recent Daily Build. If 8.04 ran stably on that hardware, then I would suggest something is very wrong with the installation or configuration of 8.10, or the X server you're running.

Thought I would be safe with the real version due out with in three weeks, not!

What is the justification for this belief? Pre-release software is "use at your own risk" -- not "safe if less than 3-weeks pre-release"!

I got hit with the e1000e module blacklist, had to reinstall when the new patched kernel came out, have had audio nuked and restored by multiple updates -- this is what should be expected when working with pre-release builds. No way is "safety" a reasonable expectation. :)

[issih]

Its a beta *shrugs*....

beta stuff ahs high turn over of updates, and a lot of them break stuff :) its sort of the point of having a beta release. If it worked first time, then there wouldn't need to be an alpha and beta phase.

Personally I've found ibex to be relatively stable, and have few major problems. I've totally borked my vlc setup (although thats not ubuntu's fault) and other than that my main gripe is that the new network manager is awful. It just doesn't accept changes to the interfaces at all. my static ip interface keeps being replaced with an auto one using dhcp....this is very irritating on a server.

Other than that, its not too bad on my hardware, but these things will always vary.

unless you are willing to have your install be a bit loopy, stick beta stuff on a virtual machine first that seems safest.

[Delvien]

I upgraded to 8.10 one week ago to explore the newest great stuff. I'm very disappointed and left with a system that is so buggy that I can't get into any Places, Firefox 3 shuts down with regularity, nearly all apps need to be shut down with a force quit, even to shut down. All with nearly no real dif from 8.04. I upgraded as soon as the beta was ready but It's more like Alfa. Thought I would be safe with the real version due out with in three weeks, not! Yes I have been updating daily or more, without any resolves for any of this.
Anyone know if you can un-upgrade with out a new install of 8.04?

be-ta: preliminary or testing stage of a software or hardware product; "a beta version"; "beta software"

Source: www.dictionary.com

Expect it to be buggy. Do not install it just to see whats new. Install it to do what it's there for. Bug testing.

[Swarms]

And dont think your scenario is the same with everyone, I have had no problems with Ubuntus functionality yet.

[ounas]

Having no problems up to now, updated like a treat. Working faster
then 8.04
:)

[MaxIBoy]

What on earth do you expect from an alpha (which is what you probably have.)

[shane19174]

Mine works almost perfectly after upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid beta. A few cosmetic issues here and there. Nothing that would render it "unusable", but I certainly understand that an upgrade can go wrong.

[jerrylamos]

Beta is broken for IBM Thinkpad R31. Compiz is so broke it hangs where the first Gnome desktop should display. I removed Compiz, then Gnome came up.

Gnome is busted today after yesterday's updates.

I'm crippling along with xfce4 now.

Oct 8 & 10 CD Live's wouldn't install, spinning forever when selecting processing manual partition. I went back to original Beta to get a clean start.

Sound was broken on Gnome, runs on xfce4, however Gnome itself is busted now so I can't tell.

The Thinkpad is dual booted. Alpha 5 NOT UPDATED!!

Of course, Hardy, Gutsy, Feisty, Edgy, Dapper run fine except for twitchy track point from Feisty on, solved by using USB mouse.

Looking at the general run of posts lately, seems to me more things are broken than at equivalent time on Gutsy & Hardy. I don't have statistics.

Jerry

[nanog]

Dabl,
I never reinstall and I have boxes that I have upgraded all the way from Dapper. If one does not install poorly packaged debs from third party repos or hack away at configs then an upgrade is equivalent to a fresh install.

And for those who troll third party red light repos -- please use protection! Install and remove in a virtual environment first!

[DarkDancer]

I think the problem here might be that normally, when software goes to Beta, it's fine. It's going to work pretty much like the final project. It might need some polish, but usually (notice I say usually, this will not be true with all cases) there are no major glitches. Then of course there is Google, who might as well have beta as part of the software name (Gmail Beta).

However, this is an operating system, it needs the full beta time to actually be done for general distribution. I imagine that people don't take that into account.

[Slug71]

No probs here on AMD64 and i've been using it since Alpha 3. Had a few bugs but they've all been fixed.

Try a fresh install when the RC comes out or just wait another week after that and do a fresh install with the final release.

[dabl]

Dabl,
I never reinstall and I have boxes that I have upgraded all the way from Dapper.



OK - I understand that viewpoint, once a new OS has been released. But would you consider it "safe" to upgrade a mission-critical production system to a Beta-level new OS?



p.s. no third-party repos here -- well, ahem ... is Medibuntu "third party"?

:lolflag:

[philinux]

The OP has gone bye-bye. Not much point posting anything.

[ilanesh]

ubuntu 8.10 is the best I ever had, ubuntu hardy is so buggy and no wireless is working that I had to go back to ubuntu gutsy, whitch is till now the most stabel and best who works out of the box with all.
ubuntu 8.10 is still in beta and is more stable and everything works out of the box including now with my wireless 3945, I was surprised that it this time workes, not like 8.04.1 no wireless at all.
I like on 8.10 the newest software, it is great, the only problem is I did the update when showing up this icon that there are updates avalaible, it broke the system, but I knew I wanted to test it, so I make a reinstall and don`t touch any software update till the stable version comes out.
Also it is always better to do a clean fresh install but never do an update from a earlier version, this is never the same as when you download the iso and install it all fresh.
It is good to have a external usb hdd for to make such beta tests.
It is much more stable and better then the new mandriva 2009, whitch they call stable but is not stable at all and many software don`t work at all.
Ubuntu and Ubuntu based are the best and I use it for every day use and don`t need windows at all, only very very rarely for something who is still not running under Linux.

[Moonlit Knight]

It works great for me, Compiz works out of the box without installing the propietary drivers, and the sound works great, I can use ardour with creox and hydrogen. Things I couldn't use before with 8.04 and 7.10.

I have a desktop computer with an ati radeon xpress 200 onboard and hda-intel soundcard

I'm really happy

[Sslaxx]

Experiencing some font rendering issues (Pango et al?), but other than that it's pretty decent so far! No issues with Firefox and/or Flash as yet, sound works etc. Nvidia 173 drivers working on here (177 doesn't).

[maestrobwh1]

Everything about the beta is great on my acer laptop except wireless. Back when Gutsy came out, I pulled my broadcom card and found an atheros mini pci and it worked SOOOOOO well through Gutsy and Hardy. Intrepid, it so so flaky that I don't think I can deal. I even installed the madwifi drivers from source! I do have the partition image of Hardy and I am thinking of restoring it. I will give it until Halloween:-)

[AaronMT]

This is what happens when you do not detail your computer specifications nor list the steps to reproduce the issues.

[shane19174]

I will give it until Halloween

Umm, I don't know anything about this driver, but don't you think Halloween is a poorly chosen ultimatum? I mean, the final version is scheduled to appear, what, a day before?

[exploder]

I am quite happy with this release so far! The only real problem I have is with "eject" and there is a bug report filed so I figure the issue will get resolved before the final release. I think that Intrepid is the best release I have seen in a while, A lot of bugs have been addressed in this release.