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kavon89
October 9th, 2008, 10:48 PM
W3 Markup Validator on each browser's web page:

Internet Explorer's page (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fwindows %2Fproducts%2Fwinfamily%2Fie%2Fdefault.mspx&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.591) - 131 Errors, 71 warning(s)

Safari's page (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Fsafari&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.591) - 14 Errors, 1 warning(s)

Opera's page (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.opera.com&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0) - Passed

Firefox's page (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.firefox.com&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.591) - Passed

You be the judge. ;)

Dr Small
October 9th, 2008, 10:50 PM
Internet Explorer's page (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fwindows %2Fproducts%2Fwinfamily%2Fie%2Fdefault.mspx&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.591) - 131 Errors, 71 warning(s)

And that's just their webpage.. Who knows how many errors they have in their IE source code... probably thousands.

kavon89
October 9th, 2008, 10:55 PM
And that's just their webpage.. Who knows how many errors they have in their IE source code... probably thousands.

Yea I think it's a pretty good measure of how much effort they put into quality. They're making a web browser the majority of people use, you'd expect them to have a web page that complies to standards instead of making their own.

doas777
October 9th, 2008, 10:59 PM
someday there will be a perfect browser. however it will be 10 years after the internet is destroyed by aliens. sucks don't it?

crazyness003
October 9th, 2008, 11:10 PM
I see what you're trying to say, but your methodology is a little off. Testing each of the browsers "homepage" or download page, has nothing to do with the browser itself. But coincidentally, the ms ie page is messed up, resonating the belief that the browser is also flawed, which is true.

I did an acid3 test on all of the major browsers once (in windows unfortunately) and Opera 9.5 is the one that got the highest score, followed by...WRONG, not FF, but Google Chrome Beta! Yah! Chrome!. Then Safari 3.x, then FF 3.0.1, then IE8 beta. What i found funny was the fact that Chrome got a whigher score than Safari. Both rely on the webKit technology, yet the browser that's used it longer, sucked compared to the newer googlier browser.

Anyway, back on topic: When it comes to browsing, Opera is most standards compliant (mainstream). There may be some unheard of browser that passed the Acid 3 test with 100...id like to see that.

Test your current browser Here (http://acid3.acidtests.org/)

I got a 71 on FF 3.0.3 in Ubuntu II 8.10 x64

C!oud
October 9th, 2008, 11:26 PM
Well duh obviously Opera is superior :D. Quite frankly there is no superior or "best" browser out there just like there isn't an OS that's truly the best. What ever works for you is the best. Therefore threads like these are pointless

SunnyRabbiera
October 9th, 2008, 11:32 PM
For me I make firefox my primary as its easy to integrate with linux (unlike opera or IE under wine) and its versatile.
Opera is good in its own right, its swiss army knife approach is very useful.
But I just dont like the way opera doesnt fit into the linux desktop, it is customizable yes but not nearly as much as firefox.

cardinals_fan
October 9th, 2008, 11:32 PM
There may be some unheard of browser that passed the Acid 3 test with 100...id like to see that.

Midori does that. However, if fails to work with most other pages I've tried ;)

crazyness003
October 9th, 2008, 11:45 PM
Midori does that. However, if fails to work with most other pages I've tried ;)

WOW! I just installed and ran the acid 3, 100!
Thats cool...to me at least.
But as eyecandy goes....eek and the software itself seems a bit slow...so i guess there are always tradeoffs.

cardinals_fan
October 10th, 2008, 12:06 AM
WOW! I just installed and ran the acid 3, 100!
Thats cool...to me at least.
But as eyecandy goes....eek and the software itself seems a bit slow...so i guess there are always tradeoffs.
I just tried Midori again. It was blazingly fast, and it actually worked with most of the sites (GMail, Google Docs, etc.) that caused problems before - probably because Google Chrome is making WebKit adoption more of a priority at Google. Anyway, I was just thinking about using it a bit more when it crashed. Maybe I'll wait for some more development :)

iKonaK
October 10th, 2008, 12:10 AM
opera seems to be on a good road, only if they will have similar add-ons with firefox....
opera has some crap called widgets but there are not compareble with the firefox add-ons.

zmjjmz
October 10th, 2008, 01:19 AM
In FF3 the only add-ons I use are NoScript, Sage, and AdBlock+.
In Opera you can use a modified stylesheet to block ads, but it's static unlike ABP.
You can do the same stuff in NoScript with Opera, but it's a bit of a pain to navigate through all the menus and stuff. NoScript is simply more accessible.
And I think Opera has a built in RSS reader, but I may be wrong, in which case I could live with a non-browser RSS reader.

SirBismuth
October 10th, 2008, 01:50 AM
I enjoy FF3, have had very little issues with it, use ABP, NoScript, and at work, MM3-ProxySwitch, for fast switching between our different proxies. Oh yes, I see I also have GreaseMonkey and Tiny Menu.

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bomanizer
October 10th, 2008, 05:12 AM
I recall Conqueror doing well with the latest acid test...yes, no?

LaRoza
October 10th, 2008, 07:38 AM
Opera.

Canis familiaris
October 10th, 2008, 08:17 AM
Opera.

ESE150
October 10th, 2008, 09:31 AM
Firefox + add-ons > Opera

lukjad007
October 10th, 2008, 09:34 AM
I heard that the acid test looks for how many error the web browser can account for and not for how good the browser is at following standards. Is this true?

kavon89
October 10th, 2008, 09:41 AM
I've tried Opera because I hear it's quick... but I guess I'm being impatient because Firefox 3.1 is supposedly blazing fast. I also switched back because I was missing my addons.

qazwsx
October 10th, 2008, 11:53 AM
Konqueror (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A//www.konqueror.org/)
Result:Passed

richg
October 10th, 2008, 12:33 PM
Whatever one works "Best" for you.

Rich

doorknob60
October 11th, 2008, 10:51 PM
Konqueror's Page (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konqueror.org%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.591) - Passed

:D Looks like the Linux supporting browsers win :) For me Konqueror and Firefox are tied for my favs. I like Opera but it's just too ugly, as soon as it matches with the rest of my KDE4 apps then I'll consider it.

crazyness003
October 12th, 2008, 01:47 AM
I know Chrome isnt developed for lin yet, but has anyone tried it out in win? I have it installed on all my win boxes and i like that fact that is gives you more real-estate, is fast at opening windows and tabs, and if one tab fails, it dosnt affect the entire program (multi-threaded). I have noticed that when the main process fails, everything else crashes too (the other tabs, sandbox, etc). But its expected, its still a beta (wonder if its gonna follow gmail's beta-ness. What has it been like 3-4 years since gmail came out, and its still beta).
Anyway, i decided to run Chrome's homepage and here are the results.

Click for Chrome results (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fchrome&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.591)

lukjad007
October 12th, 2008, 07:22 AM
I tried it. I don't really like it. I'll stick with Firefox.

M_the_C
October 12th, 2008, 08:21 AM
None of the browsers currently available are 'perfect'.

I put it in ' ' because I do realise that no browser will ever be truly perfect.

So it comes down to what people have said already, personal choice.

Current leader for me is Firefox. Simply because of features.

I don't care so much about the huge library of add-ons available for Firefox, but some of them are necessary for me, the other browsers can't match up at the moment. So I am willing to overlook its flaws.

I recently tried Kazehakase (http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/), and it looks promising. But then, that might just because it's still in the early stages.

cardinals_fan
October 12th, 2008, 03:44 PM
You can do the same stuff in NoScript with Opera, but it's a bit of a pain to navigate through all the menus and stuff. NoScript is simply more accessible.

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=241208

Mr. Picklesworth
October 12th, 2008, 03:45 PM
links2 -g continues to work for every web site worth viewing.

It doesn't even bother rendering those pitiful Acid tests :P

CrazyArcher
October 15th, 2008, 05:18 AM
Opera.

itisbasi
October 16th, 2008, 03:41 PM
Purely taking speed into consideration,chrome wins hands down. The fact that google is taking forever to come out with the linux version is frustrating though....

kaldor
October 16th, 2008, 06:50 PM
I am tied between Firefox and Opera.

So far I love Google Chrome, but I will not say it is the best until I actually use their Linux version. Who knows? It could end up a failure.

crazyness003
October 17th, 2008, 01:08 AM
Safari for mac seems to be okay (definitly better than ie for win), but i like Camino in mac anyway.
I know Safari isint native lin or win (that abomination they released for win is just plain dumb), but is there a way to run the mac version in ubuntu? You know, like as if it were native. This would be awesome for website testing without having to fire up a mac.

(i know this is the wrong place to ask such question...but its not really technical-like. I was just curious)