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eragon100
September 19th, 2008, 06:13 AM
Interpid alpha 6 is out, but no new theme, look at the screenshots in this phoronix article: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_intrepid_alpha6&num=1

Starks
September 19th, 2008, 06:27 AM
Interpid alpha 6 is out, but no new theme, look at the screenshots in this phoronix article: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_intrepid_alpha6&num=1

You really should read the mailing list before spreading around falsehoods. There will be a new theme for Intrepid.

MaX
September 19th, 2008, 07:56 AM
These are the days of the forum. People doesn't know about mailing lists anymore.

Nullack
September 19th, 2008, 08:07 AM
I disagree - many important topics are readily discussed on a bunch of Ubuntu mailing lists.

klim8
September 19th, 2008, 09:06 AM
These are the days of the forum. People doesn't know about mailing lists anymore.

Serious work cannot be discussed in forums. All the development of most of the open source projects is discussed in mailing lists

MacUntu
September 19th, 2008, 09:10 AM
Forums are easy to read by default. Mailing lists in contrast... well, you need a good reader for it, cause the archive version you can find online does suck a bit.

Sand & Mercury
September 19th, 2008, 11:01 AM
I'm a bit disappointed to see this too, I figured since we've already passed user interface freeze, the results would be on display in this alpha. I was looking forward to seeing it... oh well, wait for the beta I suppose.

klim8
September 19th, 2008, 12:37 PM
Forums are easy to read by default. Mailing lists in contrast... well, you need a good reader for it, cause the archive version you can find online does suck a bit.

Even using the online archive, mailing lists are much better than forums. Thank to their tree-based interface, they allow you to follow different discussions that arise from the initial thread. With forums, it is a pain in the *** to do it since they are linear and you have to rely on quotes (if any) to know who is someone talking to.

liorwohl
September 19th, 2008, 01:28 PM
here in Israel tree-based forums are very common, and I think it's much better then mailing lists or linear forums.

here is our tree-based Linux forum:
http://www.tapuz.co.il/forums2008/forumPage.aspx?forumId=236
:popcorn:

now back to the topic :)
in the beta, will we have the new theme which was developed by professional designers, or it's too early?

philinux
September 19th, 2008, 01:33 PM
Where can we see the latest mockups? Those mailing lists are a lot of reading.
[edit[ and I agree damned awkward to use.

DavidONE
September 19th, 2008, 01:58 PM
You really should read the mailing list before spreading around falsehoods. There will be a new theme for Intrepid.

And where is this mailing list? A URL would've been useful. Maybe you could have pasted the conversation that shows you know more? "Spreading around falsehoods" suggests intent to deceive. I rather doubt that was eragon100's intent. At worst he is mistaken.


... mailing lists are much better than forums.

I disagree. Mailing lists are archaic, user-unfriendly and lack numerous features that make forums useful. Mailing lists, like IRC, discourage newbies and casual users from participating - which is good if that is what is intended. Trying to navigate up and down the tree structure of mailing list archives is painful. Searching them is often impossible. They're rarely indexed by Google.

And finding them in the first place can be difficult: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ubuntu+theme+mailing+list shows me nothing that is obvious, although I eventually work out it's at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/ (although unable to find anything related to what Starks was referring to).

There's a good reason that Ubuntu uses this forum as primary support system - it's easy, accessible and anyone who has been online more than a few minutes understands it. Not so with mailing lists - they discourage open participation and perpetuate the techy / geeky / uninviting view that many people have of Linux.

/rant

Nullack
September 19th, 2008, 02:16 PM
In the time it took to write all that, you could have gone to google and searched for ubuntu mailing list. The first response is:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/

And look, ubuntu-art

Now that google is our friend, look what else it turned up :)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/

Sand & Mercury
September 19th, 2008, 02:31 PM
Where can we see the latest mockups? Those mailing lists are a lot of reading.
[edit[ and I agree damned awkward to use.

The wiki's incoming page has mockups to look at, but don't go there expecting to find works in progress for Intrepid's default art;-- Canonical is doing that privately. The community art package is looking like it's going to have Dust, NewWave and Didymous as its main themes included, so they're really the only mockups even worth looking at, at this point.

MJWitter
September 19th, 2008, 02:42 PM
It would be great if people used "Display Modes", "Switch to Threaded Mode" more often... That way the forum becomes more like a mailing list..

DavidONE
September 19th, 2008, 02:44 PM
Nullack,

OK, you found these things because you *already* know where to look - which proves my point. I gave the *example* of someone looking for 'ubuntu themes mailing list' - nothing useful appears.

And even now that you've provided those two URLs (note that I'd already found the art mailing list - see my post), I'm no closer to finding out what Starks was referring to - there is no facility to search the mailing lists, unless I download a bunch of Gzip'd text (or 110MB for full archive), extract it and search it locally. I have the option to subscribe to the list - and receive a flood of emails that I have no interest in. Again proving my point that mailing lists are archaic and user unfriendly.

Compare that to the process of finding the information on this forum: find correct forum then browse threads or search (with many options) or post new thread. Subscribe to individual threads if desired. Subscribe via RSS if desired. Done.

To reiterate: this isn't just about what *I* can find, it's about what the average / casual user is going to experience when presented with "you should read the mailing list" and "mailing lists are much better than forums".

As you may tell, I'm not a fan of mailing lists. ;)

MaX
September 19th, 2008, 03:52 PM
I just wanted to add that with my previous comment I didn't mean to disrespect mailing-lists in any way. I'd prefer them if people still learnt not to top-post. Sadly they "all" do and mailing lists are a chore to read.

I used to read USENET and I prefer that to the forum format.

I also expected the new theme to arrive after the freeze.