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ibbill
September 12th, 2008, 01:31 AM
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20545/1103/

If the above link don't work click HERE (http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20545/1103/)

Bill

Ms_Angel_D
September 12th, 2008, 01:36 AM
It's only fair to post a direct link to 20 reasons to shed the Microsoft yoke and use Linux

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20528/1090/

:D

at2smithjason
September 12th, 2008, 01:39 AM
I know that I wont be dropping Linux anytime soon. You could call what I have with Ubuntu a love affair.

RedPandaFox
September 12th, 2008, 01:43 AM
/sigh

I hate such fanboyism from anyone (besides Nintendo because NOONE can hate Nintendo)

But, I try and tell Windows users that Linux isnt that bad, and Linux users Windows isnt that bad, but then fanboys like this realy **** me off

jrharvey
September 12th, 2008, 01:48 AM
Im sorry but having Internet explorer is not a plus for me, In fact just having it should be a subtraction.

One more thing, this whole article is subjective. Very little is actual fact. Vist does have the most wifi support and the most software written for it and it does have the most hardware support in general. This is true fact, the other stuff is jibberish.

Mr. Picklesworth
September 12th, 2008, 02:02 AM
It impresses me how bad and unresearched some of these reasons are.
Alex... Religious bias or not, you have lost this contest.


32. Vista has the best error reporting to help Microsoft squash bugs, and the best version of “Windows Update”.That had me poised to launch a catapult at the guy. This is where people go when Windows crashes (www.ineedhelp.com) (someone should register that domain and use it for good, by the way). This is where people go when Ubuntu does anything improper (bugs.launchpad.net).
My using Windows Vista tells me that it has the worst updater yet! It has no option to not restart the system after an update, instead dooming me to the "restart now" message coming up again some time within the next 4 hours, with the default action being to restart automatically if I do not act in 30 seconds. If I am not there to click "postpone", the computer restarts and loses my work whether I like it or not, even if I am actually using the computer. (Eg: Doing something full-screen). Combine that with the complete lack of session saving and I cannot imagine how somebody has anything good to say at all about Windows Vista's updater.
Oh, and it routinely hangs while the system is shutting down.


11. Vista and Windows in general is what most businesses use, thus skills learned in Vista translate into the business world most easily.As I understand it, most businesses are still on XP, largely because they like using obsolete dot matrix printers to torture their employees.


15. Vista has the best power management.True, for now, in a lot of places (especially when you compare preinstalled Vista to Ubuntu on unsupportive hardware). However, I lost faith in Vista's power management the third time I helped someone with their laptop to find that they had brought it to me in sleep mode, thinking it was turned off because they pressed the Power button. While sleep mode doesn't consume much power, it still does consume some and it is pretty annoying when one thinks his laptop is powered down, but powers it on a few days later to find the battery life at rock bottom. I have also observed that hardware vendors do not want people placing their laptops in bags while they are in any state but fully powered down, because there is still quite a bit of heat being generated that could start to fry things with fans disengaged and circulation cut.


20. Vista has the best “start menu”.That is because nobody else has a "Start menu"; we all realize how bad of an idea it is to cram every button into the same place, instead spreading out different categories over the first phase of the interface. The All Programs menu is an inexcusable mess in Windows (thanks to there being no standards for where programs put there shortcuts) and the search box only returns results for the name of a program's shortcuts; it does not search keywords or descriptions.


22. Vista has the most developers writing software for the OS. Potentially the entire known universe versus Redmond. Right...
On a different (and somewhat contradictory) thought, a million monkeys are far less productive than a single Shakespeare.


26. Vista has the best “remote log-in” software choices. Ubuntu has "remote log-in" software out of the box.


...as with Ubuntu and its suite of otherwise quality third party add-onsClearly this gentleman is clueless as to wha Ubuntu actually is, since by that line of thinking the whole thing is "third party".


21. Vista has the best UI, although this is subjective.

24. Vista has the most incomprehensible TV commercial starring Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld.

29. Vista has the most versions, although this isn’t a plus, Microsoft!
Then this list is no longer 40 items.

A solid half of the list is either redundant or declared wrong by its own writer.

FuturePilot
September 12th, 2008, 02:05 AM
21. Vista has the best UI, although this is subjective.
So are more than half of the other points. Article == Fail

Also IE a web standard? Hahahaha that made my day.

elmer_42
September 12th, 2008, 02:14 AM
Too long; didn't read version: There are many points that this man makes that are either personal opinion or baseless. He also repeats himself frequently.
e:Added it all up, there are only 10 valid, single-line points this guy makes. Versus the 20 well-explained points made by the Linux guy.

Rather than dismiss this as a random troll thread, I will attempt to correct some errors the article writer made.

4. Vista has the most advanced and widest range of security software available.
This would be because Vista actually needs it.

5. Vista has IE and Office, still the gold standards of Internet browsing and office work.
Almost every browser is much better than IE, and it isn't even standards-compliant. I would hesitate to call it a "gold standard." Even if you do need IE or Office, you can use WINE.

9. Vista is the easiest operating system to use.
I disagree. I would argue that OSX is easier to use.

10. Vista has the best child safety software available for safe surfing.
Because I'm a child.

15. Vista has the best power management.
Aside from the fact that power management isn't really a big issue, Ubuntu does power management well enough for me.

18. Vista has arguably the best and most advanced Media Center.
Personally, I think MythTV is the best.

20. Vista has the best “start menu”.
Uh, guess again. The default "start menu" in Ubuntu is waaay better.

23. Vista has the widest range of virtualisation software available to run.
I only need one virtualization app, I don't see the point in this one.

24. Vista has the most incomprehensible TV commercial starring Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld.
This is irrelevant to the actual OS. If we are basing things on advertising, OSX kicks us all in the face.

25. Vista can run Microsoft’s OneNote, which only XP can also claim.
There's plenty of other note-taking apps, what's so special about OneNote? Aside from that, there are apps that Linux has that do not have a Windows equivalent.

26. Vista has the best “remote log-in” software choices.
VNC through SSH is enough for anybody

27. Vista has the best suite of software freely built-into the OS, as part of the OS and not a third-party add-in (as with Ubuntu and its suite of otherwise quality third party add-ons)
I'd argue that I don't like many of the built-in MS applications, and I like how he adds a lot of hooey at the end to disqualify many Linux distributions. Why do I really care if the OS's writer made all of the OS's programs?

28. Vista has the best “taskbar”.
Arguable; I like gnome-panel, PyPanel, and Tint much better than Vista's taskbar.

29. Vista has the most versions, although this isn’t a plus, Microsoft!
Then why is it included in this list?

32. Vista has the best error reporting to help Microsoft squash bugs, and the best version of “Windows Update”.
Open source is the best way to "squash bugs" and update-manager is MUCH better than Windows Update.

33. Vista has an SP1 that fixed a lot of earlier Vista issues, now in the past.
This isn't a reason to ditch Linux, just a reason not to ditch Vista.

34. Vista fully supports the best keyboards, mice and gaming devices.
Seriously, what more could you ask for than a Razer Copperhead and an IBM Model M?

35. Vista is much quicker to learn and much easier to configure than Linux.
While this may be true, OSX is also easier to learn, and when presented with that argument many Windows users reply stating that you can configure Windows more than OSX, so obviously it will be more difficult. Therefore I say that you can configure Linux more than Windows, so obviously it will be more difficult.

36. Vista is easier to fix if things do go wrong.
I don't think so, there's never been a problem in Linux that I've had that wasn't an easily-fixed operator error.

37. Vista has the best “System Restore”.
Or you could, you know, just backup your stuff like you should.

38. Vista is the most widely available commercial OS, and thus has the most support.
Personally, I haven't had a problem that somebody else on Ubuntu Forums hasn't had and helped me fix.

39. Vista doesn’t turn you into a left-leaning, anti-capitalist socialist.
Wow. Just wow.

40. Vista has Microsoft behind it!
Oh yeah, that makes me feel really good about Vista.

I have a few problems with some of the points overlapping, as well. Number 5 and number 34 can be omitted because number 2 is included. Number 6 can be omitted because number 3 is included. Number 20 and number 28 can be omitted because number 21 is included. Number 29 does not argue for Vista, instead it sides against it.

Therion
September 12th, 2008, 02:29 AM
I have a few problems with some of the points overlapping, as well. Number 5 and number 34 can be omitted because number 2 is included. Number 6 can be omitted because number 3 is included. Number 20 and number 28 can be omitted because number 21 is included. Number 29 does not argue for Vista, instead it sides against it.
Further eliminate the silly responses and the ones that are entirely subjective ("best" Start menu for who?) it suddenly becomes a very short, and very arguable, list indeed.

zmjjmz
September 12th, 2008, 02:33 AM
I seriously hope this is a joke.

Mr. Picklesworth
September 12th, 2008, 02:33 AM
I disagree. I would argue that OSX is easier to use.I think the embedded operating system on my 1992 cell phone is the easiest to use. Dial a number on the keypad and *boom* it just works! Discoverable, easy and fast. What's more? It does exactly what it says on the box.

elmer_42
September 12th, 2008, 02:35 AM
I think the embedded operating system on my 1992 cell phone is the easiest to use.
Got me there :lol:

ad_267
September 12th, 2008, 02:35 AM
I feel a little bit stupider after reading that.

broken tibula
September 12th, 2008, 02:36 AM
Utter tripe.

Half of them are opinions that can't be backed up by facts, and the other half are amusingly nonsensical. I won't waste my time debunking some of these, because elmer_42 beat me to it and I've got to get on with my math homework, but that list is rubbish. Except for this one:


8. Vista has the best games available for it.

Because when I go on the computer, I expect top-quality gaming. I don't do things like surfing the web, doing homework, downloading, fine-tuning my computer... Nope. I just play Solitaire.

All. Day. Long.

AusIV4
September 12th, 2008, 02:38 AM
I read the first page and then got bored.

A few I especially liked:

3. Vista has the widest hardware support, perhaps bested only by XP, for now.
I'd like to see you run Windows on an iPod, a PowerPC Mac, a Game Cube... Even an XBox can run Linux but not Windows.


5. Vista has IE and Office, still the gold standards of Internet browsing and office work.
Office maybe, but even when I used Windows, I referred to IE as the "Firefox Download Tool" (until I started carrying Firefox Portable on my flash drive (I'd like to see you carry your IE profile around in your pocket)).


7. Vista has the best backup software and solutions for consumers.
The best backup solution, IMHO, is rdiff-backup, which is a pain to get running under Windows (though I hear it's possible).


9. Vista is the easiest operating system to use.
Perhaps for the mid-level user. For the most basic users, Ubuntu has everything you need without having to buy and install software. For the most advanced users, Linux is much easier to bend to your will than Windows. But for the mid-level user, they may have a point.

[Edit]
There are also several "Vista can run $WINDOWS_APPLICATION", as though there weren't equivalent or even superior Linux alternatives.

Darkhack
September 12th, 2008, 02:40 AM
Relax guys. Some of the items have merit, but I'm fairly certain this article is intended to be satirical. It's supposed to show how incredibly far out you have to reach to find good things to say about Vista. If I were writing such an article and were doing a serious list, I could probably think of five things. Maybe ten if I really stretched it, but the quality of each item would go down.

elmer_42
September 12th, 2008, 02:42 AM
Maybe ten if I really stretched it, but the quality of each item would go down.
Interestingly enough, I only found 10 that were valid.

Mr. Picklesworth
September 12th, 2008, 02:52 AM
It's not that I want the guy to have a different opinion or think everyone would be content with Linux right now. It's just that the article sucks.

Lord Xeb
September 12th, 2008, 03:01 AM
The guy who wrote this has more steam coming out of his *** than a steam engine!

Shazzam6999
September 12th, 2008, 03:27 AM
When you start listing things like "39. Vista doesn't turn you into a left leaning anti capitalist socialist" you start to lose your credibility...

However, without lists like that I don't know what I would make my funny aim away messages say.

zmjjmz
September 12th, 2008, 03:34 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is satire.
Or he no longer works at itwire.

anandbabu20
September 12th, 2008, 03:52 AM
I used Vista for more than 6 months that came along with my laptop. Then I moved to ubuntu, and using it for past 6 months.

I found ubuntu far more user friendly, beautiful, easy to fix (surprisingly i never had serious problems with ubuntu!), easy to install hardware and software, watch TV, play music, surf the net, get help and always make laugh at Windows!

The best things I found with ubuntu are.. it satisfies me in getting my work done faster, make me enjoy using it and it is really beautiful. It was never like this with Vista.

wolfen69
September 12th, 2008, 04:34 AM
Here (http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=6671&p=25871#p25871) is my comment-reply to the 40 reasons:

Alex Zaharov-Reutt:

Linux lovers can believe I'm just trolling, but I prefer Vista, and this article shows the reasons why!

I've tried Ubuntu and other Linux flavours, Mac OS X and many other OS's... including all the earlier Windows ones. Vista is the best so far.



Give me a call when Linux has more users than Vista. Heck, give me a call when Mac OS X has more users than Vista...
shows the reasons why? you wrote about your experience. it is an opinion.

having more users in this case is not a good thing. most people don't even know they have a choice. that's sad, really. the average person using windows is left with a slow, virus infected, dog slow POS OS after only 1 year of using it. believe me, i know, as i fix computers for a living.

i'll admit that windows is better suited for certain businesses and is hands down better with games, but i consider myself a power user and linux does everything i need to do with rock solid stability.

most people do what on their computer? surf/check email/word documents. it's criminal that people are basically being forced into using windows for basic stuff. linux is much better suited for the average person. no virus's, no maintenance, no worries. and you don't need to upgrade your hardware with linux in order to get a full featured OS. a computer can last for many years running linux and run fast too.

linux is also making low spec netbook and umpc possible. sub-notebooks are the fastest growing segment in computing right now. linux will clearly lead the way here.

use whatever OS you like, but your 40 reasons don't hold any weight with me. i fix windows pc's for a living, i know all about them. i'm not missing a thing. microsoft? you can keep it.

shuttleworthwannabe
September 12th, 2008, 05:49 AM
Ok, let me be the first to agree with Point #15:
15. Vista has the best power management. . I have Vista SP1 and Ubuntu 8.04.1 side by side (dual-booting), and Vista give me 6H32min on my Acer Travelmate 9292; whereas Ubuntu only 3H46min, both from cold boot. The depth of controlling power management in Vista is so much better. I have also tested this in Mandriva 2008.1 and Mint 5, all yield the same power output on battery life. Vista in powersave or customized mode out-performs Linux powersave function.

crimesaucer
September 12th, 2008, 06:16 AM
29. Vista has the most versions, although this isn’t a plus, Microsoft!

More versions than this? http://distrowatch.com/

No, Vista does not have more versions than Linux:


1 Ubuntu
2 openSUSE
3 Fedora
4 Mint
5 PCLinuxOS
6 Debian
7 Mandriva
8 Dreamlinux
9 Sabayon
10 Damn Small
11 CentOS
12 Slackware
13 Kubuntu
14 Puppy
15 Gentoo
16 Arch
17 MEPIS
18 FreeBSD
19 Zenwalk
20 KNOPPIX
21 gOS
22 sidux
23 Vector
24 PC-BSD
25 Xubuntu
26 Slax
27 Elive
28 OpenSolaris
29 Red Hat
30 Foresight
31 Ubuntu Studio
32 Mythbuntu
33 Xandros
34 TinyMe
35 OpenGEU
36 Absolute
37 SystemRescue
38 DesktopBSD
39 GoblinX
40 Pardus
41 Frugalware
42 BackTrack
43 Freespire
44 Symphony OS
45 linuX-gamers
46 Ultimate
47 Linux XP
48 Musix
49 Fluxbuntu
50 PUD
51 Parted Magic
52 Scientific
53 OpenBSD
54 Clonezilla
55 gNewSense
56 DragonFly
57 Kiwi
58 Myah OS
59 Granular
60 eAR OS
61 Ubuntu CE
62 FreeNAS
63 Ulteo
64 64 Studio
65 Parsix
66 SAM
67 NimbleX
68 Novell SLE
69 Linpus
70 Yellow Dog
71 LFS
72 RIPLinuX
73 DeLi
74 Solaris
75 SliTaz
76 ClarkConnect
77 UbuntuME
78 Turbolinux
79 Bluewhite64
80 Ark
81 X/OS
82 KANOTIX
83 GParted
84 Draco
85 DARKSTAR
86 GoboLinux
87 Nexenta
88 Wolvix
89 AUSTRUMI
90 Shift
91 Yoper
92 m0n0wall
93 SaxenOS
94 KateOS
95 IPCop
96 GeeXboX
97 BLAG
98 Berry
99 BeleniX
100 Lunar

clanky
September 12th, 2008, 07:56 AM
Guys, read it again, read all of it.

Many of the points are "tongue in cheek", he is not some rabid windows fan boy, it is just a funny response to someone else's ditch windows and upgrade to Linux article.

SZF2001
September 12th, 2008, 08:01 AM
A few reasons to drop computers altogether:

1. Go outside and meet people
2. Live a life not behind a monitor
3. Get laid

But I'm an exception because I'm paralyzed from the neck down and using the Linux computer to live my last days.

clanky
September 12th, 2008, 08:02 AM
A few reasons to drop computers altogether:

1. Go outside and meet people
2. Live a life not behind a monitor
3. Get laid

But I'm an exception because I'm paralyzed from the neck down and using the Linux computer to live my last days.

+1 (but not the paralysed bit) :)

SZF2001
September 12th, 2008, 08:05 AM
+1 (but not the paralysed bit) :)

I'm going to die soon and I'll remember that Ubuntu forum member, clanky, who didn't believe I was paralyzed.

I'll show them. I'll show them all.

crimesaucer
September 12th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Guys, read it again, read all of it.

Many of the points are "tongue in cheek", he is not some rabid windows fan boy, it is just a funny response to someone else's ditch windows and upgrade to Linux article.

I didn't read the article, I just saw that one and had to respond. Those type of articles usally suck, so I just read the comments and get the "jist" of the story.

AnonCat
September 12th, 2008, 12:53 PM
I found number four particularly amusing:

4. Vista has the most advanced and widest range of security software available.

I'm ditching Linux right away to reinstall all my anti-virus apps and other memory hogging software to fix problems that shouldn't exist had Microsoft put more effort into security in the first place.

Casper Hansen
September 12th, 2008, 01:00 PM
That just made my day:P IE as the golden standards???:lolflag:

jhenager
September 21st, 2008, 01:05 AM
There are 277.49 reasons NOT to use Vista, and each one represents a dollar.
That's the best price I could find on a full version retail copy of Vista 'Ultimate'.
The price for Hardy Heron 'Ultimate'? $0
Game, set, and match.
As I tell all the M$ lovers - seriously, keep buying and using their products. I hope it stays the predominate 'operating system' in the world at least until I retire, because I fix it for a living. Job security to the max.

jhenager
September 21st, 2008, 01:08 AM
I found number four particularly amusing:
4. Vista has the most advanced and widest range of security software available.


Whenever anyone can say 'Microsoft' and 'security' in the same sentence without cracking up, I either know they have not a single clue, or I have to offer to shake their hand because they have the most awesome self control I have ever seen.
I mean, let's be real. Remember the 'Secure Computing Initiative'? How many buffer overrun vulnerabilities have been exposed since that flopped out there? Next.

L815
September 21st, 2008, 02:02 AM
I found number four particularly amusing:

4. Vista has the most advanced and widest range of security software available.

I'm ditching Linux right away to reinstall all my anti-virus apps and other memory hogging software to fix problems that shouldn't exist had Microsoft put more effort into security in the first place.

This isn't a Windows issue. Any OS can be infested with junk. Windows is more popular, thus Windows has the most selection.

jhenager
September 21st, 2008, 02:10 AM
While it is true that Microsoft has the largest installed base, and thus, being the biggest target, it attracts the majority of the security attacks, the Windows security model, if it can be called that, has long been to leave all doors unlocked, and only close them and secure when breached.
UNIX/Linux follows the best practice, which is lock everything, and only unlock when approved by an admin.
Microsoft attempted to make up for lost time with Vista. The experience goes something like this:
Windows needs your permission to complete this operation. Are you sure you want to do this?
[Y]
Windows detected a keyboard entry. Is this ok?
[Y]
You have moved your mouse. Are you sure you want to do this?
[YES!!!]
Windows detected multiple exclaimation points. Are you sure you want to do this?
<sound of shotgun blowing PC to bits>

fatality_uk
September 21st, 2008, 02:11 AM
This isn't a Windows issue. Any OS can be infested with junk. Windows is more popular, thus Windows has the most selection.

:D not

zachtib
September 21st, 2008, 02:50 AM
I clicked on this link expecting some kind of joke article... I only read through the first page, but my head hurts now

Bios Element
September 21st, 2008, 02:54 AM
Oh great, Look! A Microsoft fanboy callling 'us' Insane. Go figure.

chris4585
September 21st, 2008, 03:14 AM
I could write a article about vista and make it sound better than that... but why would I when I could make a article about Ubuntu and write the facts right the first time.