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drucer
November 16th, 2005, 09:04 AM
Hi,

What's your favourite newsgroup software on Linux? What software do you use to download binary files from newsgroups?

vasdee
November 16th, 2005, 09:10 AM
Pan is my choice. Makes saving multiple attachments a breeze

kabus
November 16th, 2005, 09:33 AM
For binaries I use nget and nzbget (http://sourceforge.net/projects/nzbget/).

Pan tends to choke on large binary groups.
It handles them a bit better if you compile the latest version from cvs, as explained in this how-to :

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23434&highlight=pan+newsreader

asimon
November 16th, 2005, 09:42 AM
I use knode from inside kontact (sadly knode doesn't get installed with kubuntu-desktop by default), it's good enough for me and nicely integrated into kontact. The last time I downloaded binaries from newsgroups must have been somewhen in the 90s. I dunno how good knode supports this.

Pan is a very good news reader, probably more powerful then knode.

BTW, has pan's development stopped? Is it still maintained? The last release seems to be from January 2004.

poptones
November 16th, 2005, 09:55 AM
Pan is OK but only on small groups. I just tried to download the headers from a relatively small multimedia group on one of the major news servers (ab.mp3.russian, a "mere" half million headers) and even on dialup it consumed so much resources doing this task I was forced to press the reset button. Damn thing was so preoccupied it wouldn't even respond to a three finger salute.

BoyOfDestiny
November 16th, 2005, 10:59 AM
I use knode from inside kontact (sadly knode doesn't get installed with kubuntu-desktop by default), it's good enough for me and nicely integrated into kontact. The last time I downloaded binaries from newsgroups must have been somewhen in the 90s. I dunno how good knode supports this.

Pan is a very good news reader, probably more powerful then knode.

BTW, has pan's development stopped? Is it still maintained? The last release seems to be from January 2004.

http://pan.rebelbase.com/

Seems it's coming out of "hibernation" and being worked on.

I figure I'd give pan another try. The CVS compiled nicely under amd64, and currently isn't using over 1000mb of RAM as it fetches headings... Looks promising :)

Lawrence Talbot
July 24th, 2008, 09:03 PM
I use ForteAgent 3 running under WINE. It's like PAN but with more features and it is easier to use once it is set up.
How about some good posting software? I can post with Agent but is anything else out there for Linux?

oldos2er
July 24th, 2008, 09:29 PM
What's your favourite newsgroup software on Linux?

slrn.

bluebyt
July 24th, 2008, 09:40 PM
I use Pan but sometime it take a lot of resources and I use newsbin under wine.
Newsbin was my favorite when I was using on Windows XP, It doesn't work very well with wine, but I cannot find a good newsgroup software on linux!

wrtpeeps
July 24th, 2008, 09:43 PM
I run newsleecher under wine.

It has supersearch (quite frankly the best usenet search tool around) so I pay a subscription for it.

Worth every penny.

hdixon
July 29th, 2008, 03:11 PM
Running Hardy and installed Pan (0.132) from Synaptic. The various FAQ's/tutorials from pan.rebelbase and others reference filtering and the filter menu. I don't see this "filter" menu option in Pan unless I'm missing something obvious.

Can someone point me in the right direction.

Thx

andrew.46
August 26th, 2008, 10:09 AM
Hi hdixon,

Try the newsgroup news.software.readers

Andrew

ricardisimo
August 26th, 2008, 10:48 AM
Pan was great, for whatever that's worth. Here's the real question: does it matter what software we're using now that binaries groups are being shut down everywhere?

I had been paying for Usenet.com, as well as getting a limited free service from AT&T. Now, nothing. Everything has been shut down in the name of protecting kids from child pornography - although really not everything; the explicitly porn-oriented groups still work, so far as I could tell. My favorite world music group was clearly a threat to national security, so that had to go, along with any and all DVD binaries groups. The porn can stay, I guess. Bizarre... the cynicism and duplicity with which the Andrew Cuomos of the world can get away is pretty astounding.

Can anyone recommend a binaries news subscription that hasn't curtailed its service recently? Thanks.

ricardisimo
August 29th, 2008, 11:22 PM
Bump

ricardisimo
September 1st, 2008, 08:24 PM
Does the silence mean that no one is using binaries newsgroups anymore? I would have thought that at least in other, more civilized countries than mine there'd be someone still using them who could recommend a pay service.

ricardisimo
September 6th, 2008, 06:54 PM
Hello? Is this thing on?

BCtom
September 12th, 2008, 05:06 AM
Actually, according to some digging that I have done on News Group Service, Binaries News groups are going to be shut out completely. Not surprisingly, this both comes from the US and Canada's decision to make ISP's responsible for revelling their client's names (content) and providing a list of all the material that is downloaded and viewed because of Copyrite violations. News Groups are the second only to Peer to Peer networks that is being targeted.

In the US the legislation is called the: The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA)

In Canada, the proposed Law is: BILL C-61 (http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=3570473&Mode=1&Language=E), and CBC Public News says:
Copyright law could result in police state: critics (http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/06/12/tech-copyright.html)

Software such as PAN will probably be obsolete in the next few months, except for basic text groups. However, there are private servers that you can buy service from, but they are subject to the new Copyrite rules too.

Most people in North America are OK with this--just ask who everyone voted for. Sadly this is a downturn for people who do use the News Groups for legitimate purposes. But yes, the Porn is getting out of hand on the News Groups in form of SPAM. The question is, do we need Big Brother to do this for us?

ricardisimo
September 12th, 2008, 05:35 AM
Uggh... well, like I said, I hope to find a service run out of some civilized country that still allows people to share music.

I am curious about one thing: I have several friends in bands who are taking their cue from the Arctic Monkeys, et al. and posting all of their material in newsgroups and on the web themselves, as advertising for the band. Where are they going to post if all of the usual avenues are closed?

BCtom
September 12th, 2008, 05:50 AM
As the old saying goes, "Invention is the mother of necessity." I'm sure there is a fix already in progress that will circumvent any attempt at Big Brother from closing all news groups with music on them. So don't throw away PAN just yet.

Funny thing is, News Groups are so unpopular. It seems to me that very few people even know about them, let along use them, so the usefulness of News Groups is probably a factor in the downturn too.

ricardisimo
September 28th, 2008, 05:39 PM
And then there's the added irony that if there were a problem with newsgroups, it would be in the discussion groups, where I'm sure all sorts of predation goes on, and certainly highly uncivil behavior (at least in the politics groups).

My neighbor says that Charter's newsgroups are still up and running, but I don't think he browses the binaries. Could anyone confirm or deny?

chambernug
November 18th, 2009, 06:13 PM
News Groups are still going strong, yet there's still no real good news reader for Linux, as far as I can tell. Pan is archaic, but still the best that I can find. It's featureless compared to applications for other operating systems. Surely, there has to be something better.

oldos2er
November 18th, 2009, 07:28 PM
slrn is a very powerful Usenet client, but it requires some configuration to get it running. It is well-documented though.

BCtom
November 19th, 2009, 03:23 AM
Whoa! It's been over year since I last saw this thread. ...and the News Groups are still going strong!


slrn is a very powerful Usenet client, but it requires some configuration to get it running. It is well-documented though.

I have to agree, slrn is a very good Usenet client. I'm not sure how it would do with multi-part binaries, but is works very well for text posts. That's more or less all that I do with it. The documentation is really good.

I think people are more attracted to a "point and click" GUI with very little typing to navagate though? And most of my buddies who use Window$ still use Forty Agent? (not sure on the spelling), but it appears to me to be more archaic than PAN is.

chambernug
November 21st, 2009, 07:16 PM
From a little poking around, it doesn't look like slrn would be very effective for multi-part binaries, at all. I'm pretty sure I looked at that one a long while back, settling on Pan simply because it was the best available.

Compared to Winblows clients like NewsLeecher, Pan is in the dark ages. In fact, the lack of a reasonably functional news reader is one of three reasons that I'm unable to completely eradicate Winblows from all desks in my house. I'll use Pan on the road, but for anything heavier than that, it doesn't cut it.

oldos2er
November 21st, 2009, 09:44 PM
From a little poking around, it doesn't look like slrn would be very effective for multi-part binaries, at all.

Yes, you're right. slrn is geared toward the Usenet reader rather than the Usenet downloader.

You might want to look into hellanzb and lottanzb, if you haven't already.

toupeiro
November 21st, 2009, 09:48 PM
when I used clients, I used Free Agent (ForteAgent), but a long time ago I started using easynews.com which they have an awesome web interface that puts all parts of a binary attachment as one hyperlink, they have batch queues, and lots more stuff. If you care about newsgroups, its worth the 9.95. My use of them has reduced quite a bit over the last year and I recently cancelled my subscription, but it was not for lack of their service. Not to mention, its 10x faster than my ISP's news servers..

ricardisimo
November 21st, 2009, 10:45 PM
Yeah, the news providers tend to have decent apps available as part of the monthly service fee.

I'm wondering how close anyone has come to reverse-engineering X-News, far and away the best newsreader I've ever used, and just about the only thing I miss about Windows. Is there a Linux X-News?

BCtom
November 22nd, 2009, 12:23 AM
You might want to look into hellanzb and lottanzb, if you haven't already.

Getting an account from Newzbin.com is pretty tough now that they closed it to new members. You need to be invited in now for their service. [-( That is the best way to use lottanzb - in my opinion.

I have usenet as part of my package from my ISP, so I have very limited retention and bandwidth with it. The par2 and rar multi part files are my problem. I like to see a news reader that can fix, combine, create and archive large files - all-in-one, for Linux.

chambernug
April 6th, 2010, 02:08 AM
You might want to look into hellanzb and lottanzb, if you haven't already.

I've been meaning to come back and respond to this. I gave that a whirl, and while it's not a super feature-rich solution, combining LottaNZB with binsearch.info, I'm getting all of the functionality that I absolutely require. It's simple and to the point. Because of that, one more Winblows system on my network has been converted to Ubuntu. Win.