You know your OS sucks when....

[miesnerd]

you have to rebrand it, and start a whole new marketing campaign as "Windows Mojave". Ouch. If they're willing to throw money at a new marketing campaign, it brings up two questions, to me:

1. How much money is Microsoft losing on Vista, currently?

2. How's the progress on Windows 7? lol. I think the marketing campaign might be an answer to that one!


Link: http://www.windowsmojave.com/

[Pro-reason]

Interesting. I hadn't heard about that advertising campaign. Actually, it seems valid to me. It is true that many people reject Vista because they have heard rumours that it “sucks”, and this campaign shows that most people are fine with it once they actually give it a try.

Remember that people said exactly the same things about XP when it came out.

Yeah, it's bloated, but so is Compiz.

I only use Ubuntu, but it's best not to jump on a hate bandwagon.

Anyway, this thread should definitely not be in this support forum.

[coolbrook]

Community Cafe banter.

[miesnerd]

Community Cafe banter.

its totally fine if an admin moves it, i didnt really know where to put it.
I just saw the ad for it today.
You're right, compiz is bloated, but its not forced on you. You enable/install it.
Not really going for the hate angle as much as "wow, now they're pouring real cash into this..."

[miesnerd]

Interesting. I hadn't heard about that advertising campaign. Actually, it seems valid to me. It is true that many people reject Vista because they have heard rumours that it “sucks”, and this campaign shows that most people are fine with it once they actually give it a try.

Remember that people said exactly the same things about XP when it came out.

Yeah, it's bloated, but so is Compiz.

I only use Ubuntu, but it's best not to jump on a hate bandwagon.

Anyway, this thread should definitely not be in this support forum.

And people did say that about XP. I do recall. I just think its a) a little funny how people are more and more reluctant to do whatever MS says and b) a great time to be a linux supporter, because of said reluctance.

[Bachstelze]

Moved to Cafe. I'm really sick of this...

[LaRoza]

Moved to Cafe. I'm really sick of this...

Moved to Recurring Discussion then :-)

[LaRoza]

Interesting. I hadn't heard about that advertising campaign. Actually, it seems valid to me. It is true that many people reject Vista because they have heard rumours that it “sucks”, and this campaign shows that most people are fine with it once they actually give it a try.


Yes, but they are using it on a new computer, not their old one. A new computer with 1-2 GB of RAM and a Core 2 Duo will run it reasonably.

However, is it reasonable to need that hardware to run it?

[tom66]

Plus, they were controlling the environment, and had a trained advisor next to the person at all times. Leave them in there for 15 minutes alone, then video it. Most of the gripes about Vista have been it's driver support, or lack thereof, so of course having a controlled environment you're going to get the best PC to run it on. Although there are plenty of others. Think about it, would a car dealership put the best fuel in their cars when they were showing you it, giving you the test drive, etc.? Quite likely, unless they were cutting costs.

[blastus]

Link: http://www.windowsmojave.com/

What the heck is mojave?

[pofigster]

This Mojave experiment is ridiculous! They present like, what, 25 videos? Sure, they've got more squares on the website, but, watch them - they have the same people multiple times.

If I have enough people (say, 1000) and I do the same thing for all of them (offer them $100 to "try out new software" - so, $100,000 in costs - nothing for Microsoft) and I get a paltry 25 to say positive things from a controlled environment where the sales person does all of the manipulation and they don't actually do anything...that sucks.

Sorry, but the "mojave" is lacking in mojo and it's a bunch of bunk. I'm not hating on Windows I'm hating on the "experiment" (I study statistics with a strong emphasis lately on experimental design).

[Pro-reason]

Yes, but they are using it on a new computer, not their old one. A new computer with 1-2 GB of RAM and a Core 2 Duo will run it reasonably.

However, is it reasonable to need that hardware to run it?
I'm not saying that it's reasonable or doesn't suck. But it is true that if most Joe Public types gave it a chance (on the brand-new hardware that they are buying), then they'd probably like it. They hate Vista out of ignorance and conservatism, whereas you or I hate it out of knowledge and wisdom. ;-)

[eragon100]

When with 3 gb of ram, and a 512 mb geforce 8 8600 GT, and an intel core 2 duo processor, your OS is faster than ubuntu at first, but get´s unbearably slow after two days. (Vista :mad:)

[LaRoza]

I'm not saying that it's reasonable or doesn't suck. But it is true that if most Joe Public types gave it a chance (on the brand-new hardware that they are buying), then they'd probably like it. They hate Vista out of ignorance and conservatism, whereas you or I hate it out of knowledge and wisdom. ;-)

Well, if the OEM's didn't pander to Microsoft (Microsoft needs an arm and a leg to run their latest software? OEM's bring out the hacksaws) and they stopped and went "Hey! The average user isn't going to be doing anything that requires more than 512 MB of RAM and still get a shiny desktop so why give more?" people would see that there is something else going on. Linux works on lower spec machines. It can run on 32 MB of RAM, one can get a good functional desktop with KDE with 256 MB of RAM and 512 can handle desktop effects (if video card is up to it).

New computers are coming with 1 GB of RAM minimal. That is a bit extreme. XP runs great with 1 GB and one can do some heavy duty stuff. On Vista, one can work with it with 1 GB.

[Sycron]

Well, Ubuntu is my friend. There are however some BUGS, unexpected crashes , but who cares ? I'm using the latest Intrepid Ibex. Everything is gonna be fixed if Launchpad is my friend too...

I have the freeedom to choose what I want. If I have the time or knowledge to fix a BUG that I find... then i'm a pro an can really help some people out there...

These things I can't do on the Microsoft side, i'm SURE.

[corney91]

You know your OS sucks when....
you need the product to watch the advertisent for it :p
I'm getting an error in Opera...

[Dojan5]

2. How's the progress on Windows 7? lol. I think the marketing campaign might be an answer to that one

I'm waiting for another Milestone leak before I switch.
Microsoft is leaking like a sieve.

[geoken]

This Mojave experiment is ridiculous! They present like, what, 25 videos? Sure, they've got more squares on the website, but, watch them - they have the same people multiple times.

If I have enough people (say, 1000) and I do the same thing for all of them (offer them $100 to "try out new software" - so, $100,000 in costs - nothing for Microsoft) and I get a paltry 25 to say positive things from a controlled environment where the sales person does all of the manipulation and they don't actually do anything...that sucks.

Sorry, but the "mojave" is lacking in mojo and it's a bunch of bunk. I'm not hating on Windows I'm hating on the "experiment" (I study statistics with a strong emphasis lately on experimental design).

Wow, great argument. Based on absolutely zero facts you assume they interviewed 1000 people and only 25 of them said good things. Then, after 'establishing' this strawman you begin arguing against it.

Bravo.

[JDorfler]

I wonder what would happen if you did the same thing with Ubuntu on a decent notebook with all the bells and whistles going on? I bet more than 25 folks would go gaga.

I don't dislike MSFT. I still dual boot and use many of their products (WinXP and XBox360) but, this is reaching. I believe more folks would be using Vista if two things happened. One, Vista wasn't such a resource hog, and two, the economy was a bit better where folks would run out and buy a new PC with Vista.

I personally have no problems with Win coming on a PC preinstalled. I love setting up dual boots. The more the software, the better. I'll still use OSS and FOSS on a Win partition and have it synced with the same software on my Linux partition.

[ratmandall]

hahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtXRnel2GT8

[Sycron]

Microsoft is running out of time trying to code sluggish things... I saw good things, softwares at Microsoft but there are alot of leaks... that make me forget everything is good about it.

They have the money, and they are loosing them on silly , very silly jobs..

If open-source had Microsoft money's...