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scouser73
June 26th, 2008, 11:42 AM
I've been on the Sun Microsystems website and came across this article whilst looking at downloading OpenSolaris.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8703

It's certainly worth a look, as the screen shots alone would make the end user think that they were looking at Ubuntu.

tdrusk
June 26th, 2008, 11:57 AM
I've been on the Sun Microsystems website and came across this article whilst looking at downloading OpenSolaris.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8703

It's certainly worth a look, as the screen shots alone would make the end user think that they were looking at Ubuntu.
Personally, after first looking at that it made me think that I was looking at a standard Gnome interface.

barbedsaber
June 26th, 2008, 12:00 PM
personally, After First Looking At That It Made Me Think That I Was Looking At A Standard Gnome Interface.

Lolz

billgoldberg
June 26th, 2008, 12:17 PM
"OpenSolaris - What Ubuntu wants to be when it grows up"

Sure buddy, keep telling that to yourself, you might start believing it if you say it enough.

fatality_uk
June 26th, 2008, 12:17 PM
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/OpenSolaris :D

Ubuntu is so far ahead of OpenSolaris in the "Desktop" the I see the EXACT opposite situation is in fact the case.

scouser73
June 26th, 2008, 12:18 PM
I meant the Gnome desktop, not Ubuntu, lol, sorry about that, anyway, I installed the live CD. It doesn't come with any office software, although it does have Evince PDF, it wouldn't connect to the internet - Not alot going for it. I think that's what OpenSolaris wants to be when it grows up, and by my estimation it's got a very long way to go.

scouser73
June 26th, 2008, 12:20 PM
"OpenSolaris - What Ubuntu wants to be when it grows up"

Sure buddy, keep telling that to yourself, you might start believing it if you say it enough.

Billgoldberg that line is the header of the article, not my viewpoint.

Vadi
June 26th, 2008, 01:42 PM
I thought that view was ... odd to say at least. Sure, Ubuntu would like to become financially sustainable, but as for the rest? Not really, since Sun screwed up on open-source bad (they even admitted it recently).

timcredible
June 26th, 2008, 02:20 PM
i've used solaris for about 15 years, and it's fallen so far behind the linux community and ubuntu that i'm shocked anyone still uses it.

dca
June 26th, 2008, 02:23 PM
There's certain aspects of Solaris (as a whole) that make it far superior, ZFS (enterprise-mission critical type file system), D-Trace (troubleshoots system & application errors), & Containers (kind of like an LPAR for AIX unix or virtualization). These mentioned (AFAIC) are far superior to anything offered in Linux. ZFS is far superior to ext3, etc. The BAD news is although these technologies are open sourced now, they'll probably never make it into Linux (or vice versa) because of the imcompatibilities within the licensing. Sun still makes a little money on Solaris10 for mission critical servers, however, they seem to want what Linux has. A global community working together to help them write a better OS, hence OpenSolaris.

cespinal
June 26th, 2008, 02:39 PM
I thought that view was ... odd to say at least. Sure, Ubuntu would like to become financially sustainable, but as for the rest? Not really, since Sun screwed up on open-source bad (they even admitted it recently).

bien question here: If Ubuntu is not financially sustainable... how does it get to live? It hard for me to believe there is people working FOR FREE on this... I mean... there must be something on ubuntu that makes canonical get money...

Trail
June 26th, 2008, 02:54 PM
It's not that the programs, environment, kernel you use are written by Canonical. They offer support. The coding work is generally done by others. For free. Think kernel, debian, gnome/kde, gnu developers etc.

tact
June 26th, 2008, 02:56 PM
Personally, after first looking at that it made me think that I was looking at a standard Gnome interface.


and indeed you are looking at a (standard - is there such a thing?) gnome desktop.

This is not the only solaris distro using gnome desktop. Have a look at nexenta - they even work to port ubuntu repo stuff across too. Kinda like ubuntu with a kernel translant, linux out solaris in.

I like opensolaris more than nexenta or other similar efforts.

tact
June 26th, 2008, 03:07 PM
I meant the Gnome desktop, not Ubuntu, lol, sorry about that, anyway, I installed the live CD. It doesn't come with any office software, although it does have Evince PDF, it wouldn't connect to the internet - Not alot going for it. I think that's what OpenSolaris wants to be when it grows up, and by my estimation it's got a very long way to go.


Same thing applies here as with ubuntu or bsd etc... Different hardware, different results. opensolaris installed fine on my spare drive, and also from liveCD and VM. network works fine. You can install the latest openoffice 3.0 beta and it works well.

As a couple of others have indicated before me - I do think that opensolais does have a lot of growing to do to catch up with linux. Mainly in the area of community and building a huge range of community developed software. (The repo doesn't have so many packages available.) This is despite the good things it does have like dtrace and zfs

pmlxuser
June 26th, 2008, 03:12 PM
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8703


I like it they mention "Ubuntu like" system, so basically Its not what Ubuntu wants to be when it Grow Up RATHER its What OpenSolaris wants to be when it grows Up. The Editor loves UBUNTU so Much, He/She did in the word editor He/She was Using Ctr + F replaceAll OpenSolaris >> Ubuntu to see how good the article would sound and forgot to change the heading when He/She was Through :)

dicecca112
June 26th, 2008, 03:42 PM
for one the package management is crap. There is an apt-get like feature, called pkg-get, but synaptic is much better. Its also rather slow, like running on a 5400rpm hdd. Running Ubuntu in comparison is like running on a SSD. And if you think Ubuntu has bad wireless support, don't even think about trying Solaris

cespinal
June 26th, 2008, 04:13 PM
It's not that the programs, environment, kernel you use are written by Canonical. They offer support. The coding work is generally done by others. For free. Think kernel, debian, gnome/kde, gnu developers etc.

I see... Those people must really love what de do... I wouldn't spend my free time doinga that :lolflag:

Vadi
June 26th, 2008, 05:05 PM
bien question here: If Ubuntu is not financially sustainable... how does it get to live? It hard for me to believe there is people working FOR FREE on this... I mean... there must be something on ubuntu that makes canonical get money...

Mark Shuttleworth is funding Canonical, and they're not making much to be self-sustainable.

So, some people are getting paid for this, but no profits are being made at all.

OZFive
June 26th, 2008, 09:37 PM
This is a professional writter for ZDNet? He comes off a bit crude and uninformed if you ask me.. here are some examples I saw...


http://i32.tinypic.com/34nh63a.png
Calling people names and then a nice little jab in the end to finsih them off! Oh I am sure the Ubuntu devs are so stinging at this right now. What, are we in the fifth grade here?

How I would have wrote it.... "The Ubuntu devs have taken a gamble to use the latest and sometimes unstable Firefox 3 Beta 5 in their latest release (Hardy Heron 8.04). Open Solaris installs with the high performance and stable 2.0.0.14"



http://i32.tinypic.com/o60g2a.png
Again a small jab here. Everyone has their own prefrences here as to what colors people like. You like blue? Fine change it. You like the tans/oranges/browns of Ubuntu. Great! Can we please be a professional writer?

How I would have wrote it.... "The theme for Open Solaris is blue compared to Ubuntu's brown. Which is right for you? It is all a personal preference. Both systems allow theming to suit the users preferred color.


http://i32.tinypic.com/2renr40.png
He/She discovers that they can indeed take screenshot from within the OS itself instead of doing it with a "$200 digital camera". But do they start again and present clean professional looking screenshots? Nope. (I am not a professional writer and journalist, so I CAN take jabs here and get away with it)

How I would have wrote it.... Oh wait thats right! I would have started over form the beginning and gone back and redone all my screenshots!

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http://i29.tinypic.com/20qjn8z.png
Why does it not come with Open Office? (Not really part of the unprofessionalism I was talking about here, but a valid point) Most people could use this and I am sure many do. Why not instal it y default like Ubuntu and open peoples eyes to an alternative that they might otherwise not know about.