Ubuntu Studio

[Th3Professor]

"New Thread" link... "Post New Thread" page... "Prefix:" "Title:"
(no prefix) Ubustu/Ubuntu Studio related subject title.
[ubuntu]
[kubuntu]
[xubuntu]
[edubuntu]
[gobuntu]
[ubustu] or [ubuntu studio]
[mythbuntu]
[all variants]
[kde]
[gnome]
[xfce]
[other]Please add it. Thank you.

[Th3Professor]

Bumping studio request. Or if this is the wrong category could someone please move it to the appropriate one?

It'd be *really* nice to have an Ubuntu Studio (or Ubustu) option in the "Prefix:" of these threads' subjects.

[Th3Professor]

bump

[Th3Professor]

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[knutschr]

What do you ask for?

[hansdown]

Bumping studio request. Or if this is the wrong category could someone please move it to the appropriate one?

It'd be *really* nice to have an Ubuntu Studio (or Ubustu) option in the "Prefix:" of these threads' subjects.

Hi Th3Professor. You can download ubuntu studio "stuff"... If you go to system> administration> synaptic package manager. click search, Type in ubuntu studio, and there will be numerous choices. Hope this is what you need.

[logos34]

Bumping studio request. Or if this is the wrong category could someone please move it to the appropriate one?

It'd be *really* nice to have an Ubuntu Studio (or Ubustu) option in the "Prefix:" of these threads' subjects.

+1. I'm really surprised they haven't done this already. Lots of people use studio!

[Th3Professor]

What do you ask for?

I am - or more like, any Ubuntu Studio (or "Ubustu") user is - asking for this...

"New Thread" link... "Post New Thread" page... "Prefix:" "Title:"
(no prefix) Ubustu/Ubuntu Studio related subject title.
[ubuntu]
[kubuntu]
[xubuntu]
[edubuntu]
[gobuntu]
[ubustu] or [ubuntu studio]
[mythbuntu]
[all variants]
[kde]
[gnome]
[xfce]
[other]Please add it. Thank you.

Hi Th3Professor. You can download ubuntu studio "stuff"... If you go to system> administration> synaptic package manager. click search, Type in ubuntu studio, and there will be numerous choices. Hope this is what you need.

Hi hansdown. Thank you for providing information on how (or where) to get Ubuntu Studio packages. That is not what we're asking for, though thank you for the information in any case. I am actually already running Ubuntu Studio on one of my computers; the question in the original post - restated in "code" within this reply (see above) - is asking that the Ubuntu Forums administrators or moderators add Ubuntu Studio, or Ubustu (either one), to the "Prefix:" section that we see before creating a new message in these forums. You will find the "Prefix:" to the left of the "Subject:" section directly above the empty window where you enter your new message/thread.

More specifically, the currently "Prefix:" list is:

"Prefix:" "Title:"
(no prefix) Ubustu/Ubuntu Studio related subject title.
[ubuntu]
[kubuntu]
[xubuntu]
[edubuntu]
[gobuntu]
[mythbuntu]
[all variants]
[kde]
[gnome]
[xfce]
[other]

We would really appreciate it if the admins/mods add Ubuntu Studio or Ubustu so it looks like either this:

"Prefix:" "Title:"
(no prefix) Ubustu/Ubuntu Studio related subject title.
[ubuntu]
[kubuntu]
[xubuntu]
[ubuntu studio]
[edubuntu]
[gobuntu]
[mythbuntu]
[all variants]
[kde]
[gnome]
[xfce]
[other]

...or this...

"Prefix:" "Title:"
(no prefix) Ubustu/Ubuntu Studio related subject title.
[ubuntu]
[kubuntu]
[xubuntu]
[ubustu]
[edubuntu]
[gobuntu]
[mythbuntu]
[all variants]
[kde]
[gnome]
[xfce]
[other]

And, to the admins/mods: please put it above "mythbuntu". I am sure there are more Ubuntu Studio users than "mythbuntu" users. There's probably even more people using Studio than "gobuntu", maybe even "edubuntu".

I believe that Ubuntu Studio should be listed above "gobuntu" or "edubuntu", though would rather just have it anywhere in the list than not in the list at all (as the current status is).

If the average everyday computer user would just imagine for a moment how extremely practical Ubuntu Studio truly is, and if they were already using another variant of Ubuntu (like the original (GNOME), KDE, or XFCE), then they would very likely seriously consider actually using Ubuntu Studio as even an everyday computer set-up.

Ubuntu Studio emphasizes the concept of "multimedia computer". There are several computer set-ups available, for purchase, with pre-installed "multimedia computer" type functionality and, although it's not dramatically different than the generic set-up, it is still different enough, significant enough, distinguished enough, easy enough to use, and distinct enough of a type of system that even the everyday computer use goes out... purchases such a computer... and uses it.

We all know that one of the greatest advantages in running a Linux or Unix type system is the word "free". Given the progress the systems have made in the realm of "user-friendly", more people are gravitating over and starting to use them. There is also the idea of the systems having some pretty effective functionality. That helps. To top it off, there is now an excellent - and pretty solid - system available with more "multimedia" features. To top that off, it is Ubuntu. To top that off again, it is Ubuntu Studio.

People use Ubuntu Studio.

Yes, enough people use it that it qualifies for being added to the "Prefix:" list.

+1. I'm really surprised they haven't done this already. Lots of people use studio!

Definitely. I, too, am really surprised that they haven't added Studio, though I am also shocked that they have actually added "mythbuntu" before adding Ubuntu Studio or Ubustu!

__________________________________________________

Any admins or mods reading this: Please add it! Thank you!

Any forum staff reading this: Please inform the admins/mods!

Thank you!
__________________________________________________

[knutschr]

Why is it a need for this?
I Agree that Ubuntu Studio is great!
If you install everything related to it in the repositories, you will even have the Studio splash screen when logging in :-)

[Th3Professor]

Why is it a need for this?
I Agree that Ubuntu Studio is great!
If you install everything related to it in the repositories, you will even have the Studio splash screen when logging in :-)

You are referring to the system, installing it, running it.

This thread, more specifically, is about Ubuntu Forums adding a "Subject:" "Prefix:" for Ubuntu Studio.

:KS

[knutschr]

I didn't understand that.
Sorry :-(

[Th3Professor]

No biggy. It's always good to hear more enthusiasm about Ubuntu Studio. I completely agree with all of the things you said about it. It's a great set-up, easy to install, and the splash screen is pretty cool. :D Though everything about Studio is awesome, beyond the looks, like all the software/applications/programs that come with it. Very cool stuff.

[MetalMusicAddict]

Thanx for starting this thread.

As Ubuntu Studio's lead I have often thought about this. I could get it done in an instant for sure but I have mixed feelings.

Namely, the fact that so many issues one would have in Studio are normal Ubuntu issues. Anything *really* specific to what Studio does can be handled in the Multimedia Production (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335) section and then don't need a tag. There are very few corner cases outside of this.

In the end, I don't know. I'll leave it up to you guys to debate.

[stinger30au]

at first i dint understand what you were asking for but i get it now....

hope it gets added

[ShodanjoDM]

+1

Some specific questions regarding ubuntustudio:

>rt kernel
>Ubuntustudio metapackages (audio, video, graphics)
>DVD ISO size
>Where to get it

etc.

[hansdown]

Hi th3professor. Thanks for humouring me in my moment of blindness. Ubuntu studio is great.

[Th3Professor]

Thanx for starting this thread.

As Ubuntu Studio's lead I have often thought about this. I could get it done in an instant for sure but I have mixed feelings.

Namely, the fact that so many issues one would have in Studio are normal Ubuntu issues. Anything *really* specific to what Studio does can be handled in the Multimedia Production (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335) section and then don't need a tag. There are very few corner cases outside of this.

In the end, I don't know. I'll leave it up to you guys to debate.

The "mythbuntu" set-up can also be handled in "Multimedia Production" or another similar category, yet it is included in the "Prefix:" list.

Ubuntu Studio really should be added to the "Prefix:" list.

<forum admins: Please?>

[MetalMusicAddict]

+1

Some specific questions regarding ubuntustudio:

>rt kernel
Multimedia Production section
>Ubuntustudio metapackages (audio, video, graphics)
>DVD ISO size
>Where to get it.

IMO, these can all be handled in General chat.

The "mythbuntu" set-up can also be handled in "Multimedia Production" or another similar category, yet it is included in the "Prefix:" list.

Ubuntu Studio really should be added to the "Prefix:" list.

<forum admins: Please?>

Mythbuntu questions are *not* for "Multimedia Production" as Mythbuntu is for entertainment. Not creation of content.

This debate should really be about if Studio really has enough differences from Ubuntu that it warrants a tag? I tend to lean toward no honestly.

Really think about this and don't just argue because I don't quite agree. I just don't see much need. I think it will lead to questions being posted in sections that would be better asked in "Multimedia Production". A easy way to give less thought about the question if you will. Because if you think about it, most of the questions in the "Multimedia Production" section come from Studio users, but aren't specific *to* Studio. So IMO the tag would lead to lazyness in the questions. Corner-case questions can be handled generally.

In the end, it won't really bother me if it happens.

[Th3Professor]

Hi th3professor. Thanks for humouring me in my moment of blindness. Ubuntu studio is great.

I didn't really explain that much in the original post, it makes sense the initial response multiple people provided (i.e. installing). :D

Okay... now for the "argument"...

Multimedia Production section

The Multimedia Production section is not restricted to Studio, nor are the Subject Prefixes currently including Studio. These two facts only restrict the possibilities of what types of systems might be commonly used via the Multimedia Production section while one specific type of system cannot be selected for use either in that section or any other. There is no need to be extremely restrictive in either case.

Is Multimedia Production intended for use only - or even primarily - with Ubuntu Studio?

Yes? Then rename it to the Ubuntu Studio section or a name that includes the system title (not just include it in the description of that section).

No? Then we need the "Prefix:".

There simply is no argument there; based on the current evidence of what qualifies various systems as worthy of being added to the Prefix list, it is just a matter of fact and necessity that Ubuntu Studio or Ubustu be added to the list.

Change the prerequisite qualifications (if there are any) for what is to be listed in the Subject Prefix list and we will have an entirely different situation - one that could likely not deem Studio as appropriate for being added to the list, yet one that would definitely deem other systems currently in the list as necessary for removal.

IMO, these can all be handled in General chat.

Their listed subjects can definitely be handled in the General section. You omit one vitally important point in just how they can address those subjects in the General section: the fact that they cannot currently select "Ubuntu Studio" or "Ubustu" as their Subject's Prefix within non-Multimedia Production sections.

In fact, you contradict yourself - and please know that I am only speaking with the debate of this subject in mind, I mean no offense - you contradict yourself by first stating that Studio discussions can (only?) occur within Multimedia Production, and yet you state that the listed subjects (from a previous reply in this thread) can all be handled in General.

The self-contradiction is this:

If there is no purpose in having a Prefix for Studio, and Studio users should somehow automatically know that they are (supposed?) to use the Multimedia Production section instead of any other (even when it pertains to Studio), then why bother encouraging - or even requiring - a Studio user to post such mentioned subjects within the General section?

Mythbuntu questions are *not* for "Multimedia Production" as Mythbuntu is for entertainment. Not creation of content.

Actually, I should retract a small part of what I previously stated: I have since discovered there is a "Multimedia & Video" section, hence the "Mythbuntu" set-up would perhaps be better off with primary multimedia and video-specific subjects being discussed in that section instead of "Multimedia Production". However, it still has its own Prefix, and yet it also has a section that it can be primarily discussed in.

For that matter, Ubuntu Studio can also be discussed within "Multimedia & Video".

There's another reason for having a Subject Prefix for Studio:

Multiple system types sharing multiple forum sections.

Regarding your mention of "entertainment" and "creation of content":

Are you saying that it is okay for an "entertainment" system to have its own Prefix but not a "creation of content" system?

How exactly are you determining the worth or value of a system being given a Subject Prefix based on such vastly slim deductions of what kind of system it is?

If you believe it is logical to have a Mythbuntu Prefix and yet illogical to have a Studio Prefix, then please explain your logic.

Please convince me - and the other Studio users who believe Studio should have a Prefix - that if an "entertainment" system is an element or value that qualifies Mythbuntu for a Subject Prefix, why Ubuntu Studio cannot be considered as an "entertainment" system, thus being ill-qualified for a Subject Prefix.

This debate should really be about if Studio really has enough differences from Ubuntu that it warrants a tag? I tend to lean toward no honestly.

Yes and no.

Yes: this debate should be about if Studio has enough differences from Ubuntu.

No: this debate should also be about the currently established prerequisites, if there are any, for determining whether or not a system - any system of Ubuntu derivation - is qualified for being listed in the Subject Prefixes.

If you compare the differences among the current systems in the Prefix list, you will see that Ubuntu Studio fits in with the rest of the crowd. Some of the Ubuntu sub-types are very similar, and yet some of them are very different. Do you believe Ubuntu Studio does not have enough differences? You seem to believe it doesn't. Yet, you provide nothing convincing and simply state what your opinion is.

Allow me to support ShodanjoDM's sample list of subjects as their messages or questions could be posted via a Studio Prefix, and compare it to the generic subject prefix.

ShodanjoDM's first mentioned subject, and we'll place this in "General":

General section:

Prefix: [ubuntu]
Subject: "rt kernel"
Okay, the poster has generic Ubuntu and has manually changed it to run the real time kernel instead of generic, or they would like to do that. This could easily be a different kind of thread:

Prefix: [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu]
Subject: "rt kernel"
Okay, this poster has Ubuntu Studio/Ubustu, they have not manually changed kernels and are running the default as per system install; they might wish to address it as it pertains to Studio's default set-up, or they might wish to address that they'd like to be able to use the generic kernel while running Studio.

Your argument for placing the "rt kernel" subject within the "Multimedia Production" is both inconclusive and nonspecific.

There is no ultimatum stating that real time kernels must be, or should be, discussed within the Multimedia Production section. Even if there was, there would be no reason to require that it be discussed only within that section.

There is no single definitive section of the Ubuntu Forums that should restrict "rt kernel" discussion to just the one section.

The subject of "rt kernel" is significant enough that it can be discussed in multiple sections, not just the "Multimedia Production" section; the use of Ubuntu Studio/Ubustu helps clarify for the reader which system the original poster is using or referring to and helps the reader gain a more concise understanding of what the original poster might either:

A) be discussing in general,
B) need assistance with (or offering assistance with), or
C) whether or not it is an issue of manually modified system set-up or default system install set-up, which can thus greatly alter the result of the reply from the individual reading the original post.

ShodanjoDM's second mentioned subject, and we'll place this in "General":

General section:

Prefix: [ubuntu]
Subject: "Ubuntu Studio metapackages (audio, video, graphics)"
Okay, the poster has generic Ubuntu and has manually implemented the metapackages as a primary alteration to the original system set-up, or they would like to do that. This could easily be a different kind of thread:

Prefix: [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu]
Subject: "Ubuntu Studio metapackages (audio, video, graphics)"
Okay, this poster has Ubuntu Studio/Ubustu, they have not manually changed the metapackages that are running default as per system install; they might wish to address it as it pertains to Studio's default set-up, or they might wish to address that they'd like to be able to remove specific metapackages from the default install while still otherwise running the Studio system. Otherwise, and on a more mechanical level of logical forum structure, you will see that they are essentially placing their own custom "prefix" within the actual Subject by stating the system type within the subject. This is unnecessary, or, it should be unnecessary. It should be available within the Prefix List.

Your argument for the "Ubuntu Studio metapackages (audio, video, graphics)" subject is, well there isn't an argument or explanation.

This goes back to my previous statement of how you have contradicted yourself.

On the one hand you say Studio should be discussed via the "Multimedia Production" section, and yet on the other hand you say Studio should be discussed via the "General" section.

The metapackages are a core element of the Studio set-up that are viable for multiple sections.

Yes, it is general enough that it might be better off in "General", and yet, yes, it is also specific enough that it might be better off in "Multimedia Production". Or "Multimedia & Video". Or another section.

"General" for the fundamental install or removal questions and discussions. "Multimedia Production", based on your initially stated assessment of Studio essentially belonging in that section and, thus, not requiring its own Subject Prefix.

To support your own contradiction, you could very well counter your own argument by agreeing that Ubuntu Studio - by necessity of being discussed in sections other than "Multimedia Production" - is qualified for receiving its own Subject Prefix.

We know that you more than likely will not do that, unless you see the fallacies in your own argument (or lack of argument).

Yet, should the decision on whether or not Ubuntu Studio should be added to the Subject Prefixes list be up to you, even if you are Studio's lead?

No.

There shouldn't even be a debate over this.

Look at the other systems in the Subject Prefix list and tell me that not a single system in that list also consists of differences from the other systems based solely on the system's "metapackages".

The various types of Ubuntu systems are different arrangements of packages grouped into a bundle that, thus, create various "metapackages".

Whether we choose to call it that or not, it is what it is, and it is different.

Ubuntu Studio is just as much an Ubuntu system as the others in that list, and it is different.

Yes, there is enough of a difference.

If you choose to debate that, then you might as well argue that there shouldn't be any "Prefixes" whatsoever.

Better yet, the "Prefixes" could benefit from a complete overhaul. There are various set-ups just thrown in there, followed by "all variants", and then mention of popular DEs, followed by "other". To put it lightly, that list is currently in very bad shape.

If the list could be arranged to allow for multiple simultaneous selections, say a maximum of two (i.e. the two sub-types included in the current singular and incomplete list), that would help tremendously - but the current merged list offers far too many limitations.

In this regard, this debate goes far beyond what you, I, or others in this particular thread, might argue as "for" or "against" Ubuntu Studio simply being added to the Subject Prefix list.

This goes so far as to address the global concern for the efficiency of the list as it pertains to the entire Ubuntu Forums.

ShodanjoDM's third mentioned subject, and we'll place this in "General":

General section:

Prefix: [ubuntu]
Subject: "DVD ISO size"
Okay, the poster has generic Ubuntu and has a question or discussion on the size of DVD ISOs. This can definitely be addressed from a generic Ubuntu install, default set-up and all. However, this could easily be a different kind of thread:

Prefix: [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu]
Subject: "DVD ISO size"
Okay, this poster has Ubuntu Studio/Ubustu and they have a question or discussion on the size of DVD ISOs. Perhaps this particular subject could lean more in favor of something "general", yet that is what the "General" section is for. That is not what the use of [ubuntu] versus [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu] subject prefix is for. Given the option of selecting Studio as the subject prefix, the poster will be able to notify readers that she is addressing DVD ISO size while running a Studio system. Knowing this could alter the output of the replies. The individuals replying will know she has Studio and can address the subject specific to her set-up, including - but not limited to - such things as actual applications that are generally included pre-installed with the Studio system.

Your argument for placing the "DVD ISO size" subject within the "General" section is, well there isn't an argument or explanation... just read or reread my counter to your non-argument in the rest of this reply.

Basically, posting with [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu] narrows the subject down to a specific and clear common denominator, via the Subject Prefix list, that allows those viewing the post to gain a better understanding of the thread's original post - just as well as any other system type in the Subject Prefix list.

ShodanjoDM's fourth mentioned subject, and we'll place this in "General":

General section:

Prefix: [ubuntu]
Subject: "Where to get it"
Okay, the poster has generic Ubuntu and has a question or discussion on the subject of where to get Ubuntu Studio. This can be addressed from a generic Ubuntu, default set-up and all. However, this could easily help readers in sorting through posts if it was posted as follows:

Prefix: [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu]
Subject: "where to get it"
Okay, this poster either has Ubuntu Studio/Ubustu or they would like to have it; and they have a question or discussion on where to get it. While this particular subject could initially be seen as either tagged with a generic [ubuntu] prefix or with the specific [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu] prefix, the advantage in having the Studio prefix will make it easier for individuals browsing the list of posts to determine whether or not they wish to read and possibly reply to the post.

It could be stated in the Subject: "Ubuntu Studio: Where to get it", yet that is a custom "prefix" that basically defeats the purpose of even having a "Prefix:" at all. I very much doubt that we - as a collective whole, or even majority - would like the "Subject Prefix" feature removed.

In support of the actual "Subject Prefix" system that has been implemented into these forums, one can take advantage of the improved ability to browse a page of threads with those prefixes being assigned their various bold colors. This helps the reader sort through each thread much faster, simply for how well it stands out against the normal black fonts of the subject headings. Once the reader sees that Subject Prefix, they can quickly see the subject as it pertains to that Subject Prefix. We already know all of this, how helpful the Prefix system can be.

However, what we are lacking is that which many people are currently completely unaware of: the need for a better organized and more complete (or at least a more appropriate) Subject Prefix list.

There is an absolute advantage to adding [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu] to the Prefix list.

How can you convince us otherwise?

How can you convince us that there is truly a significant disadvantage to adding [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu] to the Prefix list?

Your argument, thus far, even as it pertains to placing the "where to get it" subject within the "General" section is nigh impossible to debate for the unfortunate lack of arguable points. And we are only covering a few subjects as provided earlier by ShodanjoDM. On that note, ShodanjoDM also mentioned one final, simple, yet important point...

ShodanjoDM's fifth mentioned subject, and we'll place this in "General":

General section:

Prefix: [ubuntu]
Subject: "etc."

Anything (etc.) could be posted as:

Prefix: [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu]
Subject: "etc."

Obviously not literally, "etc.", but the point is there are many more subjects appropriate for this purpose.

By this point, I hope you - better yet, I hope the primary Ubuntu Forums admins and mods - see how useful it would be to have either [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu] included in the Subject Prefix list.

Really think about this and don't just argue because I don't quite agree.

Please do not assume that one would simply argue for the sake of argument.

No matter the tendencies of any vast majority of those posting replies in message boards, there is no excuse for you to make such assumptions.

That would be a poor judgment on your behalf, ill-advised against exactly who is replying, their backgrounds, experience, education, disrespectful of their own say on the matter, valuing only your own input and disregarding what they might have to say, automatically predisposing yourself to your own decision on the matter before even hearing the counter-argument of others (if even hearing them), and so forth.

If you have made such an assumption, and it appears very close to that with your statement (above), then others would have something to be offended by. I do not speak for others, yet I am one to be offended by something such as your statement (above), especially if you mean it in any form of rude conjecture, as it so appears - as if you think you are talking to a child or children. Save that for the children if you must do that at all.

I just don't see much need.

Then please offer a convincing argument in support of that opinion.

Allow me to return your previous statement:

Really think about this and don't just argue because I don't quite agree.

Better yet:

Really think about this and don't just argue because you are the "Ubuntu Studio lead".

Whether you agree with adding the Prefix, because you are the lead; whether you disagree with adding the Prefix, because you are the lead; all of these are irrelevant.

In fact you would have been better off to not have even mentioned that you were the lead.

Why?

While several people might value where you stand on Ubuntu Studio-specific subjects, where you stand on Ubuntu Forums-specific global functions is irrelevant to where [U]multiple people stand on such global functions.

Being the lead doesn't win a swing vote. If it does, then there is something terribly wrong with the Ubuntu Forums. I certainly hope that is not the case.

It would be beneficial to the primary admins/mods of Ubuntu Forums if they let the people decide, not one person.

Likewise, if they don't place more weight on one person's opinion - if they actually allow the debate provided by both sides of the argument to take precedence.

Currently, it is a one-sided argument consisting of multiple people giving more convincing reasons why [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu] should be added to the Subject Prefix list; and an opposing single person expressing their opinion in a non-argumentative fashion, who has, thus far, not provided any convincing counter-arguments.

And the following is not convincing enough...

I think it will lead to questions being posted in sections that would be better asked in "Multimedia Production". A easy way to give less thought about the question if you will. Because if you think about it, most of the questions in the "Multimedia Production" section come from Studio users, but aren't specific *to* Studio. So IMO the tag would lead to lazyness in the questions. Corner-case questions can be handled generally.

...to understand my counter to the above opinion, just read this entire reply I am writing.

Try to understand the multiple benefits.

Try to understand there truly is no disadvantage to adding Studio to the Subject Prefix list.

I will list what appears to be the topics of your argument and give a quick summary of my counter-argument:

1. "Better asked" in "Multimedia Production".
Summarized Counter: You do not explain (nor convince us) how it is better.

2. "Most of the questions" in "Multimedia Production" from Studio users.
Summarized Counter: That does not disqualify Studio from a Prefix for use via any other forum section.

3. "...aren't specific *to* Studio..."
Summarized Counter: While there exist posts that are not necessarily specific to Studio (which doesn't currently have a Prefix, thus voiding your whole argument), there also exist posts with other pre-existing Subject Prefixes that are not necessarily specific to those Prefixes.

Read this entire reply for more details on my counters to the above list.

In the end, it won't really bother me if it happens.

I certainly hope not. You are one person.

I could say: in the end, it won't really bother me if it doesn't happen.

At first it would, for the effort I - and any others supporting this case - have presented, all with hopes that the Ubuntu Forums primary admins/mods would seriously consider making this small modification to the Prefix list.

Ultimately, it won't bother me. If it doesn't happen it will only give people the impression of Ubuntu Forums restrictive characteristics.

Regardless of outcome, I am at least offering a potentially debatable argument in turn for what appears to simply be an expressed opinion of another individual who has yet to provide a potentially debatable argument while simultaneously invoking an arguable debate from others.

Save us the trouble of having one-sided debates and provide a qualified response or otherwise don't argue it and simply help us make that small change in the Prefix list.

Regarding the "Multimedia Production" section:

"Multimedia Production" is, by the name of the section alone, already limited to that specific category: the production of multimedia. If you wish to argue that it is about more than that, then that same point can be expressed in favor of the Prefix list.

Even then, Ubuntu Studio is more than just a system capable of multimedia production, it is a system capable of many other things - all worthy of being addressed, as specific to Studio, via other Ubuntu Forums sections.

Adding the [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu] Subject Prefix allows for more clarity in just what kind of system the individual is addressing in their post.

It doesn't lead to problems.

It leads to solutions.

In conclusion, and in direct response to your conclusion:

Really think about this and don't just argue because I don't quite agree. I just don't see how there *couldn't* be much need. So yes, in this regard, it *is* an "easy way to give less thought about the question if you will". There is absolutely nothing "lazy" about a Studio "tag" (Subject Prefix). It is only a "corner-case" for the duration that it is restricted to the "Multimedia Production" "corner" of these forums.

It is far more troublesome for the original poster to be restricted to Ubuntu Studio discussions within the "Multimedia Productions" section than if they were given the option of selecting Studio as the Subject Prefix from within another section of Ubuntu Forums.

There are plenty of subjects that are specific to "Ubuntu Studio", yet are *not* specific to the "Multimedia Production" section.

Take a step back and consider this:
"Humanity to others."
"I am what I am because of who we all are."

There is an automatic openness to what drives Ubuntu.

If the Ubuntu Forums admins/mods allow for that openness from within this site, then they will help us in maintaining the essence of Ubuntu on a far grander and unifying scale.

One little change, the inclusion of either [ubuntu studio] or [ubustu] in the Subject Prefix list, will go a long ways and perhaps even remain as another one of those unheard improvements in the forums. Even if unheard, it will still be for the better.

[MetalMusicAddict]

Th3Professor, that's really just a ridiculous amount of things to reply to. And quantity doesn't mean a convincing opinion. (I say opinion because there's no argument here ;))

In the end, what I said in my previous posts are correct (no matter how long a paper you write) because I've worked out these issues already with Ryan. (head honcho for the forums)

The tag is the only new issue. Like I said, it won't chuff me really either way but I know what the forum sections and Studio are for. So you can't really tell me otherwise. Especially since I created Studio. ;)

There's a reason why there is no "Studio" section and why a tag wasn't done up to know. Studio's issues are quite often Ubuntu issues as well. Very few fall out of that and that is usually where "Multimedia Production" comes in. And since -rt isn't specific to Studio questions about it go there. Like I said in my last post.

fin.

[Th3Professor]

Th3Professor, that's really just a ridiculous amount of things to reply to. And quantity doesn't mean a convincing opinion. (I say opinion because there's no argument here ;))

It's certainly a better response than what you have provided.

And more convincing than yours.

Save the "arguing for the sake of arguing" for someone else and something else.

You still haven't provided any convincing counter-argument.

Until you do, either kindly move on to another thread or <snip>

In the end, what I said in my previous posts are correct (no matter how long a paper you write) because I've worked out these issues already with Ryan. (head honcho for the forums)

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I am willing to listen to what you have to say if you actually say something worth saying as a counter. I am sure others will listen too. So far you have done no such thing.

There is nothing "correct" about your previous posts. It doesn't matter how long a response I write - you are totally disregarding the points I actually made in the post with "length of response" as your excuse.

What have you already worked out with Ryan?

Please explain exactly what you have already worked out with him as it pertains to the "Subject Prefix" and Ubuntu Studio.

If you have already done so, this is the thread to share, otherwise move on.

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You have so far.

Until you provide more insight that is convincing, please, just move on to another thread.

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We need you working on Studio, (please) continue improving it. (added by bapoumba)

The tag is the only new issue. Like I said, it won't chuff me really either way but I know what the forum sections and Studio are for. So you can't really tell me otherwise. Especially since I created Studio. ;)

What you believe you know the forum sections are for is not the definitive answer.

I cannot tell you otherwise.

I am not telling you otherwise.

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There's a reason why there is no "Studio" section and why a tag wasn't done up to know.

...up do know?

You repeat yourself again? Okay, I'll repeat myself, just for you, once again:

You still have not provided convincing insight on why there is either no Studio forum section or Subject Prefix.

Studio's issues are quite often Ubuntu issues as well. Very few fall out of that and that is usually where "Multimedia Production" comes in. And since -rt isn't specific to Studio questions about it go there. Like I said in my last post.

There is nothing in your remarks, above, that provides qualified counter-argument.

So yes:

We need the Ubuntu Studio subject prefix.

End of Story, aka:

"fin"

[bapoumba]

Hello !
Two things:
- I've moved the thread to FFH, as it is a request for prefixes (if I understand correctly)
- I'm closing for now, as it is turning to a 1-1 argument, so that more Staff have a chance to see it and give input.

Thanks for your understanding.

[matthew]

I have read through the request as well as all of the related posts by other forum members. After some consideration and discussion among the staff, we have determined that adding the tag is not something we wish to add at this time.

[LaRoza]

I have read through the request as well as all of the related posts by other forum members. After some consideration and discussion among the staff, we have determined that adding the tag is not something we wish to add at this time.

Prefix, you mean. Tags can be anything (within the CoC)

[matthew]

Prefix, you mean. Tags can be anything (within the CoC)Yeah, that's what I meant. Thank you for the correction.