a very critical review of KDE 4 (implemented in OpenSuse 11.0)

[karellen]

http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/06/24/06/25/28-40-minutes-with-kde4-under-opens
even if I'm not by any mean a fan of this guy, he does have many valid points. I've tried KDE 4 under Fedora 9 and I still don't understand all the hype; I see no progress over KDE 3.5.x, only a lack of options and configuration

[chucky chuckaluck]

I see no progress over KDE 3.5.x, only a lack of options and configuration

they may have finally learned a valuable lesson from gnome.

[p_quarles]

Moved to Recurring Discussions. As usual, someone will have to point out that an end-user stable version of KDE 4(.1) is scheduled for release next month. Reviewing it now is kind of silly.

they may have finally learned a valuable lesson from gnome.
Heh.

[LaRoza]

I looked forward to OpenSUSE (and used KDE4 just to see what the hype was about, I used the install DVD), and it wasn't that great.

It lacked flexibility and wasn't intuitive. KDE4 didn't seem to be a step up, and many things didn't work (complaining about OpenGL or something) so those little gadgets didn't work (Compiz Fusion works fine in Ubuntu on the same computer, my Thinkpad).

I couldn't connect to any wireless networks, and I couldn't find any options (Ubuntu has a little thingy in the panel for that and is very easy to use).

The sliding menu was annoying, I prefer the Vista way or the Windows 2000 way.

I quickly put Ubuntu and GNOME back on. I use wmii normally, but I use GNOME when I use wireless.

[geoken]

Wait, this guy filled up his panel with applets until there was no room left, then complained about how little space the window list had? Does that make any sense?

Also, dolphin has a list view. I'm not sure what he's on about with that.

Desktop issues have already been completely revamped.

The customizability is coming. Already in 4.1 most of it has been restored.

Seems like another review of someone using KDE 4, then assuming the devs have no intentions of change anything despite the fact that everything they're complaining about has already been changed and the devs have clearly outlined future changes.

[Trail]

they may have finally learned a valuable lesson from gnome.

rofl

[smarttaz]

Wait, this guy filled up his panel with applets until there was no room left, then complained about how little space the window list had? Does that make any sense?
<snip> I only added the Comic strip viewer and the unknown English thing: that makes two (2) applets. They shouldn't even go to the system tray!

Also, dolphin has a list view. I'm not sure what he's on about with that.
No, it has not. It has a DETAILED List view, but not a "short" List view -- called "List view" in all the other browsers.

OK, take a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_%28software%29
"3 view modes (Icons, Details and Preview)."

Icons is Icons.
Details is NOT List, but "detailed list".
Preview is not a mode.

[madjr]

Wait, this guy filled up his panel with applets until there was no room left, then complained about how little space the window list had? Does that make any sense?

Also, dolphin has a list view. I'm not sure what he's on about with that.

Desktop issues have already been completely revamped.

The customizability is coming. Already in 4.1 most of it has been restored.

Seems like another review of someone using KDE 4, then assuming the devs have no intentions of change anything despite the fact that everything they're complaining about has already been changed and the devs have clearly outlined future changes.

silly wabbits

[regomodo]

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[jrusso2]

http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/06/24/06/25/28-40-minutes-with-kde4-under-opens
even if I'm not by any mean a fan of this guy, he does have many valid points. I've tried KDE 4 under Fedora 9 and I still don't understand all the hype; I see no progress over KDE 3.5.x, only a lack of options and configuration

As a long time fine of KDE, been using it since the first beta I think the big mistake they made was releasing KDE 4 before it was ready and all the big hype about it.

I have not had more then a passing glance at it as I prefer to wait till its done before I decided. I continue to use KDE 3.5.

[geoken]

<snip> I only added the Comic strip viewer and the unknown English thing: that makes two (2) applets. They shouldn't even go to the system tray!

Who cares how many you added? You add an applet, then arrange everything all over the place and complain that the panels window list is useless. Here's a pic of the Gnome panel with 2 extra applets, then everything jumbled around. It also features a totally useless window list in this state so I guess by your logic we can conclude the gnome panel's window list is useless.

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No, it has not. It has a DETAILED List view, but not a "short" List view -- called "List view" in all the other browsers.

OK, take a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_%28software%29
"3 view modes (Icons, Details and Preview)."

Icons is Icons.
Details is NOT List, but "detailed list".
Preview is not a mode.

Right now I'm convinced that your actually intentionally trying to mislead people. Why would you reference Wikipedia rather than Dolphin's actual website which prominently displays an image that totally contradicts Wikipedia. Here's a screenshot I just grabbed.

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[samwyse]

^ that's a column view.

You can make a "list view" by changing the settings for the icon view.

[karellen]

Moved to Recurring Discussions. As usual, someone will have to point out that an end-user stable version of KDE 4(.1) is scheduled for release next month. Reviewing it now is kind of silly.


Heh.

there won't be any additional features (which many found lacking compared to KDE 3.5.x), only bug fixing

[geoken]

there won't be any additional features (which many found lacking compared to KDE 3.5.x), only bug fixing

What about Dolphin tabs?

What about the desktop plasmoid?

What about Krunner's extra features?

What about the panel's new features?

I'm sure there are hundreds more, these are just a couple off the top of my head which are of interest to me.

[p_quarles]

What about Dolphin tabs?

What about the desktop plasmoid?

What about Krunner's extra features?

What about the panel's new features?

I'm sure there are hundreds more, these are just a couple off the top of my head which are of interest to me.
I think he meant in KDE 4.1. It's in feature freeze, so he is correct about that.

KDE 4.x, though, is still getting new features. 4.2 is slated to be the release that will equal 3.5.x in functionality. 4.1 is not, but is still slated as the first release that will be "usable" for the typical (non-geek?) user.

[cardinals_fan]

I'm allergic to Beranger. I get my rants from TechieMoe - here's his openSUSE 11 rant (http://www.techiemoe.com/tech/suse11.htm).

[karellen]

What about Dolphin tabs?

What about the desktop plasmoid?

What about Krunner's extra features?

What about the panel's new features?

I'm sure there are hundreds more, these are just a couple off the top of my head which are of interest to me.

you misunderstood. I meant no additional features (besides the already present ones) to KDE 4.1 in the next month, just polishing and bug fixing

[geoken]

you misunderstood. I meant no additional features (besides the already present ones) to KDE 4.1 in the next month, just polishing and bug fixing

Sorry, I misunderstood.

But I'm just wondering when you said 'their won't be any additional features' what where you comparing to? The person you responded to was saying there's no reason to review Suse 11 KDE 4 right now since 4.1 will be out shortly. Judging by your response, I think you may have incorrectly assumed that Suse was using KDE 4.1. It in fact is running 4.0x with a few specific things from 4.1 pulled in (like the panel resizing/positioning tool).

[karellen]

Sorry, I misunderstood.

But I'm just wondering when you said 'their won't be any additional features' what where you comparing to? The person you responded to was saying there's no reason to review Suse 11 KDE 4 right now since 4.1 will be out shortly. Judging by your response, I think you may have incorrectly assumed that Suse was using KDE 4.1. It in fact is running 4.0x with a few specific things from 4.1 pulled in (like the panel resizing/positioning tool).

yes, I did thought that opensuse 11 used KDE 4.1 (even if not the final stable version) :D
mea culpa I suppose :)