Comparing the Web Browsers

[Exsecrabilus]

http://lifehacker.com/396048/speed-testing-the-latest-web-browsers

For Windows, Safari and Opera dominates in speed.
The only place Firefox is winning in is low memory usage.

For Linux, there is only Opera and Firefox.
Opera gets speed and Firefox gets low memory usage.
However, Firefox has lots of popular add-ons.

Firefox is winning in only one place, that's pretty bad.

[LaRoza]

For Linux, there is only Opera and Firefox.
Opera gets speed and Firefox gets low memory usage.
However, Firefox has lots of popular add-ons.

Opera also has more built in functionality. Firefox gets low memory? You mean low memory when you don't have more than one tab or using the cache. Popular add-ons? You mean the ones that don't work in the new low memory version? Or the ones that work in the memory leaker?

[bufsabre666]

why it that bad? you have tons of choices, installed on my computer alone there is firefox2 firefox3 swiftweasel opera iceweasel ie4linux version 5.5 and 6.0

and then there are others like epiphany kazekahaze flock konqueror etc

im sure theres a chart of how they rank in various places but the fact is use which ever one is best on your system, firefox may be faster on a given system then opera, there are tons of varibles

[Exsecrabilus]

Opera also has more built in functionality. Firefox gets low memory? You mean low memory when you don't have more than one tab or using the cache. Popular add-ons? You mean the ones that don't work in the new low memory version? Or the ones that work in the memory leaker?
I wish Opera would get rid of the two outside arrow buttons, they're so annoying.
I mean to press the back button, but I press the other one, and it takes me to where I started.

[LaRoza]

I wish Opera would get rid of the two outside arrow buttons, they're so annoying.
I mean to press the back button, but I press the other one, and it takes me to where I started.

I don't use them. I use mouse gestures, or the keyboard shortcuts for that.

[Papi-KB7VGW]

You can remove the double arrows using view customize...

[voteforpedro36]

I wish Opera would get rid of the two outside arrow buttons, they're so annoying.
I mean to press the back button, but I press the other one, and it takes me to where I started.

Take that button out then, just right click the one that does that (rewind and fast forward or something), and press remove from toolbar. It worked for me.

[jrusso2]

On my PC's Opera still uses a lot less memory then Firefox 3 so I am not sure of the validity of that statement.

[Exsecrabilus]

All right, I'm using Opera now!

How do I make the tab toolbar only appear when I have more than one tab open? It's taking up a lot of space..... ?

[LaRoza]

All right, I'm using Opera now!

How do I make the tab toolbar only appear when I have more than one tab open? It's taking up a lot of space..... ?

Tools->Preferences

In there, tabs (it is the first) and go to "Additional Tab options" button at the bottom. Check "Allow Window with no Tabs"

You can also customize the top panels. Right click one and click "Customize". I have the Tab, Address, and View bars only.

[Exsecrabilus]

I don't use them. I use mouse gestures, or the keyboard shortcuts for that.
LOL, I've been seeing you post a lot, and it looks like you're really a tech-person and you don't favor the GUI very well.
I tried out the window manager you use and it was so confusing, and you like an Opera theme that's old-style. XD

[LaRoza]

LOL, I've been seeing you post a lot, and it looks like you're really a tech-person and you don't favor the GUI very well.
I tried out the window manager you use and it was so confusing, and you like an Opera theme that's old-style. XD

I post occasionally :-)

wmii is very easy to use once you get used to it.

Basically, it is a window manager that manages windows instead of making you do it manually (think about all the maximizing, minimizing and moving around of windows you do on GNOME and KDE).

If you want to try it again, here is a quick little guide:

I do like simplicity and power, so I do tend to go for monchromatic themes and terminal apps.

[Exsecrabilus]

here is a quick little guide:
.....?

[LaRoza]

.....?

http://www.suckless.org/contrib/guide/wmii-3/guide-en/guide_en/

(Sorry, I hadn't pasted)

[cardinals_fan]

LOL, I've been seeing you post a lot, and it looks like you're really a tech-person and you don't favor the GUI very well.
I tried out the window manager you use and it was so confusing, and you like an Opera theme that's old-style. XD
Don't listen! Use Xmonad!

[LaRoza]

Don't listen! Use Xmonad!

A tiling window manager is a tiling window manager. I haven't tried them all, so I can't compare.

[cardinals_fan]

A tiling window manager is a tiling window manager. I haven't tried them all, so I can't compare.
Not so. Xmonad > dwm > wmii > awesome > ion. IMHO, obviously.

[LaRoza]

Not so. Xmonad > dwm > wmii > awesome > ion. IMHO, obviously.

I will eventually look into them.

For me, I heard fuscia talking about tiling wm's, and I tried out wmii and found it to fulfill every need. I see nothing on it that I would want to change.

Even if the others are "better", I really don't see a need to change.

Are there any particular reasons or features the others may be better?

[karellen]

LOL, I've been seeing you post a lot, and it looks like you're really a tech-person and you don't favor the GUI very well.
I tried out the window manager you use and it was so confusing, and you like an Opera theme that's old-style. XD

He's a moderator, you know...;)
and speaking of speed, I guess that half second earned by Opera/Safari over Firefox in loading a page it's a real life savior...

[Exsecrabilus]

He's a moderator, you know...;)
.....your point.....?

[LaRoza]

He's a moderator, you know...;)
and speaking of speed, I guess that half second earned by Opera/Safari over Firefox in loading a page it's a real life savior...

Who's a moderator? :-)

.....your point.....?

Most moderators have, at one time or another, spent a lot of time on the forum.

[karellen]

.....your point.....?

as a moderator it's normal to post frequently, especially when dealing with all sorts of threads

[karellen]

[QUOTE=LaRoza;5220740]Who's a moderator? :-)

someone with 10742 posts as I'm writing this (and with many thanks as well) :)

[RiceMonster]

The only tiling WM I liked at all was awesome, but I need a system tray and using trayer or stalonetray or something with it was annoying. Xmonad was alright, but I probably didn't try it enough. I don't like wmii or dwm at all.

[Exsecrabilus]

as a moderator it's normal to post frequently, especially when dealing with all sorts of threads
.....and your reason for pointing that out?

[karellen]

.....and your reason for pointing that out?

this
LOL, I've been seeing you post a lot, and it looks like you're really a tech-person and you don't favor the GUI very well.

[LaRoza]

Who's a moderator? :-)

someone with 10742 posts as I'm writing this (and with many thanks as well) :)

I was distracted by the reference to a "he" and was seeking clarification. (Usually, I am referred to as "she" on this forum, as I am the Borg Queen)

Once it hits 11000 I am going to sell.

[Alasdair]

I don't know how this went from web browsers to tiling window managers, but Stumpwm (http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/) is clearly the best! It's like emacs reincarnated as a wm. :)

[Exsecrabilus]

@ Karellen: That was a side reference, not the main point.

@ LaRoza: LOL.

@ Alasdair: I don't know either. Can we get back on topic. XD

[cardinals_fan]

I don't know how this went from web browsers to tiling window managers, but Stumpwm (http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/) is clearly the best! It's like emacs reincarnated as a wm. :)
So it's the pit of all evil and hate?
I will eventually look into them.

For me, I heard fuscia talking about tiling wm's, and I tried out wmii and found it to fulfill every need. I see nothing on it that I would want to change.

Even if the others are "better", I really don't see a need to change.

Are there any particular reasons or features the others may be better?
I find Xmonad lighter and easier to customize. But maybe it's just me.

[LaRoza]

I don't know how this went from web browsers to tiling window managers, but Stumpwm (http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/) is clearly the best! It's like emacs reincarnated as a wm. :)

Yikes. Thanks for the warning. Anything resembling emacs should be avoided (Vim FTW).

wmii is more like Vim, by the way.

I find Xmonad lighter and easier to customize. But maybe it's just me.

I use the default wmii, no customizations. That is one thing I like, it doesn't need to be customized.

[LaRoza]

<OT>
Tried xmonad, and found it to be similiar enough to wmii to make using not a problem. Also, I like the dmenu at the top (I always put panels at the top). I think I will be sticking with xmonad.

How do you change the background (have my own .xmonad/xmonad.hs already)?
</OT>

[cardinals_fan]

<OT>
Tried xmonad, and found it to be similiar enough to wmii to make using not a problem. Also, I like the dmenu at the top (I always put panels at the top). I think I will be sticking with xmonad.
</OT>
Aha! Xmonad is simply awesome.

[LaRoza]

Aha! Xmonad is simply awesome.

It isn't that different. How do you change the background?

[cardinals_fan]

It isn't that different. How do you change the background?
I use xsri. You could also use Nitrogen, Feh, or any other wallpaper setter.

[LaRoza]

I use xsri. You could also use Nitrogen, Feh, or any other wallpaper setter.

I want just a colour. Right now, it is that annoying orange.

[cardinals_fan]

I want just a colour. Right now, it is that annoying orange.

xsetroot -bg *your color here*

[LaRoza]

xsetroot -bg *your color here*

Thanks.

I don't want to use the terminal though. Is there a GUI for this?

Linux sucks...

(Why did I post flamebait? Extreme boredom :-))

[Exsecrabilus]

thanks.

I Don't Want To Use The Terminal Though. Is There A Gui For This?

Linux Sucks...

(why Did I Post Flamebait? Extreme Boredom :-))
Omg Teh Komand Lain Mesta Coms N Faivurz Gui Oh Noes Wats Hepanin 2 Da Wurld!one!!11!!1

*Waits for LaRoza to say "I never said I favor the GUI."*

[LaRoza]

Omg Teh Komand Lain Mesta Coms N Faivurz Gui Oh Noes Wats Hepanin 2 Da Wurld!one!!11!!1

*Waits for LaRoza to say "I never said I favor the GUI."*

Well, I am back to wmii. I couldn't find any way to change the background colour (the method above didn't work out) and the menu at the top isn't worth such an annoying colour.

[Exsecrabilus]

Seen screenshot of Xmonad, looks pretty complicated.

Darn, I'm too attached and used to GNOME. XD

[LaRoza]

Seen screenshot of Xmonad, looks pretty complicated.

Darn, I'm too attached and used to GNOME. XD

It is really simple (wmii and xmonad). You don't have to worry about windows being spread around, you don't have to constantly move, resize and minimize windows, and you aren't forced to constantly put your hand on the mouse when the keyboard is much faster.

[starcannon]

I fell in love with Firefox and Thunderbird back when I was still using windows, for me it was one of the things that allowed me to make my full single boot transition to Linux, there are other things I had to find/learn but having a great browser that I was already very comfortable in certainly was a big bonus.

But as with any software applications, the best one is the one you use.

[cardinals_fan]

Well, I am back to wmii. I couldn't find any way to change the background colour (the method above didn't work out) and the menu at the top isn't worth such an annoying colour.
What menu at the top? I have no menu... (if I did I'd stop using it) :confused:

[LaRoza]

What menu at the top? I have no menu... (if I did I'd stop using it) :confused:

Press Alt + P

[cardinals_fan]

Press Alt + P
Oh, you mean dmenu :)

I thought that you meant a menu that's visible all the time, like the default menu on the bottome in wmii.

[Exsecrabilus]

Since when did web browsers = window managers.....? ^_^;;

[cardinals_fan]

Since when did web browsers = window managers.....? ^_^;;
The wonders of these forums ;)

[LaRoza]

Oh, you mean dmenu :)

I thought that you meant a menu that's visible all the time, like the default menu on the bottome in wmii.

Of course... wmii's little menu is usually covered by my app so it doesn't matter that is there. It is handy for getting the date and time.

Since when did web browsers = window managers.....? ^_^;;

Why are you dragging browsers into this conversation? Please don't derail the topic.

[Exsecrabilus]

The original post.....it was supposed to be about web browsers.....

Oh well, there are too many of those topics anyway. XD

[LaRoza]

The original post.....it was supposed to be about web browsers.....

Oh well, there are too many of those topics anyway. XD

I know :-)

However, we have moved on to bigger and better things. In short, Opera is the best browser, and a tiling window manager is a win.

[Exsecrabilus]

I know :-)

However, we have moved on to bigger and better things. In short, Opera is the best browser, and a tiling window manager is a win.
How much a percent decrease of RAM is used with a tiling window manager compared to a window manager like GNOME?

[LaRoza]

How much a percent decrease of RAM is used with a tiling window manager compared to a window manager like GNOME?

I don't know the numbers, so I can't give a percentage.

Consider that wmii is less than 10000 lines of code (and is considered "big"), and GNOME is a collection of many libraries and services, the RAM usage would be much lower.

[cardinals_fan]

How much a percent decrease of RAM is used with a tiling window manager compared to a window manager like GNOME?
Significant. If tiling isn't your thing (and I can't imagine why it wouldn't be), Openbox and Pekwm are "conventional" floating WMs that are also efficient (not quite as small as most tiling WMs though).

[Barrucadu]

I must admit that while I find a floating window manager easier to use for day-to-day stuff, if you have multiple terminals open nothing is better than a tiling WM.

[RiceMonster]

I must admit that while I find a floating window manager easier to use for day-to-day stuff, if you have multiple terminals open nothing is better than a tiling WM.

I agree with you. The only time I ever would want my windows to tile is for CLI apps. However, I usually use screen in a terminal to run multiple terminal apps, which is usually only two at the most.

[LaRoza]

I agree with you. The only time I ever would want my windows to tile is for CLI apps. However, I usually use screen in a terminal to run multiple terminal apps, which is usually only two at the most.

Tiling is a big help for CLI apps, but it is also useful for single window apps like browsers and word processor (all office software).

Also, tiling WM's also have a float mode for certain apps that would need it (GIMP).

[cardinals_fan]

I think of tiling WMs as full-screen WMs. Most of the time I only have one window open, and Xmonad gives it the whole screen, with no stupid window decorations.