So, Is KDE 4 Going To Be The Default For Kubuntu?

[jlacroix]

I was just wondering whenever I decide to upgrade my laptop, which runs Kubuntu-KDE3, if upgrading to Ibex would upgrade the KDE3 packages to KDE4 and replace them.

[meborc]

I was just wondering whenever I decide to upgrade my laptop, which runs Kubuntu-KDE3, if upgrading to Ibex would upgrade the KDE3 packages to KDE4 and replace them.

well... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXBQRpg11bg - seems to be that they will ship kde4 as default in ibex

[disturbedite]

according to what a kubuntu dev told me on the kubuntuforums, yes, it most likely will be.

[quickshade]

keep in mind that 4.1 will be the default and that it includes tons of fixes. In fact I can safely say that 4.1 will match KDE 3 functionality in most spots. It's still lacking some features that I'm sure people will complain about, but for the most part it's feature complete. Some of the 3rd party apps (Amarok, Digikam, K3b) should also be done in the next few months. (at least k3b, maybe amarok. Haven't checked up on digikam in a while) so it should be very easy to get rid of most KDE3 apps.

This will cause an outcry I'm sure, but in reality it's a well worth it move. KDE4 is more stable, has better written code and is easier to not only develop for but configure. It offers loads of flexibility, and most of all, it is the future. Many of the shortcomings and problems that were in KDE3 are now not only fixed in KDE4, but if a problem does rise, it's much easier to fix.

[jlacroix]

Thank you guys.

I'm fine with KDE4 being the default I was just curious as to if a user has Kubuntu-KDE3 installed and upgrades to Ibex, would it overwrite all the KDE3 packages to KDE4 packages?

The only feature really missing for me in the existing KDE4 is the fact you can't do any file management on the desktop.

[meborc]

Thank you guys.

I'm fine with KDE4 being the default I was just curious as to if a user has Kubuntu-KDE3 installed and upgrades to Ibex, would it overwrite all the KDE3 packages to KDE4 packages?

The only feature really missing for me in the existing KDE4 is the fact you can't do any file management on the desktop.

hmm... i guess the kubuntu-desktop metapackage will change its dependence from kde3 to kde4 ... if so the kde4 will be installed, but the kde3 will not be removed (if you do a simple upgrade... a dist-upgrade will probably get rid of kde3)

i guess you just have to try it out in few months... the breakage is just waiting to happen here :)

[disturbedite]

Thank you guys.

I'm fine with KDE4 being the default I was just curious as to if a user has Kubuntu-KDE3 installed and upgrades to Ibex, would it overwrite all the KDE3 packages to KDE4 packages?

The only feature really missing for me in the existing KDE4 is the fact you can't do any file management on the desktop.
there will be with 4.1. see here:
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-more-desktop-icons-in-41.html

[meborc]

there will be with 4.1. see here:
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-more-desktop-icons-in-41.html

only thing that still concerns me is that the black background of the containment will totally cover my nice wallpaper :) i hope they will engineer a way to turn the background transparent (if not so already)

[GeneralZod]

only thing that still concerns me is that the black background of the containment will totally cover my nice wallpaper :) i hope they will engineer a way to turn the background transparent (if not so already)

If you don't want to wait, install the "Glassified" Plasma Theme (right-click Desktop -> Desktop Settings -> New Theme -> Glassified). I don't particularly like what it does to the panel, but I do like the new widget background (although it's not 100% transparent) :)

http://etotheipiplusone.com/kde4daily-4-1-glassified.png

[awakatanka]

Getting a page nothing to see here :(

[HunterThomson]

I am glad to here it is coded better and all but I really hate the look. The whole vista stile menu button and not the drop down list. I just don't like the way it navigates at all. I am vary disappointed with KDE4. I wish they would have gotten rid of the task bar all together, minimize windows to desktop (win3.1 stile) applets on the desktop instead of on a task bar and the menu button is accessed by a right click on the desktop. I mite just switch to gnome, when the time comes, but for now I am sticking with 7.10 do to brightness problems with my laptop.

[asimon]

The whole vista stile menu button and not the drop down list. I just don't like the way it navigates at all.
Novell did actually usability research and the kick-off menu came out as better then the old plain menu. Of course, no one will ever be able to find a single solution which pleases everyone. Therefore the old menu is still available for people who prefer it and alternate approaches are in development.


I am vary disappointed with KDE4. I wish they would have gotten rid of the task bar all together, minimize windows to desktop (win3.1 stile) applets on the desktop instead of on a task bar and the menu button is accessed by a right click on the desktop.
That would be a horrible solution in my eyes. My desktop is never ever visible. It's hidden behind layers of full-screen windows. The taskbar I see always, the desktop never. So for me it would require additional steps to access minimized windows. It would not improve usability but decrease it.

I mite just switch to gnome, when the time comes, but for now I am sticking with 7.10 do to brightness problems with my laptop.
It makes no sense to not use the desktop one likes the most. Good that there are different ones to choose from.

[HunterThomson]

Novell did actually usability research and the kick-off menu came out as better then the old plain menu. Of course, no one will ever be able to find a single solution which pleases everyone. Therefore the old menu is still available for people who prefer it and alternate approaches are in development.That would be a horrible solution in my eyes. My desktop is never ever visible. It's hidden behind layers of full-screen windows. The taskbar I see always, the desktop never. So for me it would require additional steps to access minimized windows. It would not improve usability but decrease it.It makes no sense to not use the desktop one likes the most. Good that there are different ones to choose from.

Owe, that is cool that I can set it to still use the plain menu:) That was the biggest problem I had with it. I don't like to scroll through the menu I just like it to fill my screen with options.

[Gina]

I was thinking of installing Kubuntu in another partition as I use a lot of KDE apps in a Gnome environment at present. However, I really don't like what I've just seen of the KDE4 desktop with black boxes full of icons. I might still try it sometime when I have time - I like to try out different things.

[HunterThomson]

I was thinking of installing Kubuntu in another partition as I use a lot of KDE apps in a Gnome environment at present. However, I really don't like what I've just seen of the KDE4 desktop with black boxes full of icons. I might still try it sometime when I have time - I like to try out different things.

You don't have to install Ubuntu all over agin. You can do what I did just go to sinaptic and install the Kubuntu-desktop. Then in the login screen you change to a KDE session.

You can also intall the KDE-base so it is the real KDE and not the Kubuntu desktop.

[meborc]

You don't have to install Ubuntu all over agin. You can do what I did just go to sinaptic and install the Kubuntu-desktop. Then in the login screen you change to a KDE session.

You can also intall the KDE-base so it is the real KDE and not the Kubuntu desktop.

but that would bork the gnome desktop with all the kde apps, wouldn't it :) ... the best way to try it is to use virtualbox

[HunterThomson]

but that would bork the gnome desktop with all the kde apps, wouldn't it :) ... the best way to try it is to use virtualbox

Well, I see that as a good thing.... to each his own.

You can always take them out if you like. Better then wasting all that HDD space with a whole new OS.

[Gina]

You don't have to install Ubuntu all over agin. You can do what I did just go to sinaptic and install the Kubuntu-desktop. Then in the login screen you change to a KDE session.

You can also intall the KDE-base so it is the real KDE and not the Kubuntu desktop.Yes, I have the KDE desktop installed alongside Gnome in one of my other Ubuntus and I also have KDE base installed on this Ubuntu system to handle the KDE apps. But what I actually had in mind was to check out the entire KDE/Kubuntu experience separately.

As for installing *Ubuntu, I've done it dozens of times and it comes second nature to me now - I just run the Alternate CD, set it off and go play with another PC or do something else :lolflag:

EDIT... To answer your latest post... I'm not short of HD space - Linux systems are so compact compared with what I was running before! But your solution may well help others with less space - so thank you.

[awakatanka]

I am glad to here it is coded better and all but I really hate the look. The whole vista stile menu button and not the drop down list. I just don't like the way it navigates at all. I am vary disappointed with KDE4. I wish they would have gotten rid of the task bar all together, minimize windows to desktop (win3.1 stile) applets on the desktop instead of on a task bar and the menu button is accessed by a right click on the desktop. I mite just switch to gnome, when the time comes, but for now I am sticking with 7.10 do to brightness problems with my laptop.

Don't see what different gnome is with the taskbar then kde4 atm.
You can remove the taskbar and put only a plasmiod on the desk for the minimized windows. If kde4 is future rich you can configure a mouse button for the menu like they have done in kde3. kde4 keeps all what you had in kde3 and gives you new option you don't have to use. It is only not as future rich as kde3 but with kde4.1 that is getting closer.

It like all those people that reply to his blog without reading. You can have the old style but you can also use the new style.

[HunterThomson]

OK I am ignorant sorry for wasting space on this thread.

[disturbedite]

If you don't want to wait, install the "Glassified" Plasma Theme (right-click Desktop -> Desktop Settings -> New Theme -> Glassified). I don't particularly like what it does to the panel, but I do like the new widget background (although it's not 100% transparent) :)

http://etotheipiplusone.com/kde4daily-4-1-glassified.png

good advice. i've been using the glassified theme since the day it was released. its the best plasma theme i've seen yet. i think it should be the default theme.

[disturbedite]

but that would bork the gnome desktop with all the kde apps, wouldn't it :) ... the best way to try it is to use virtualbox
no it wouldn't break the gnome desktop. but you don't even have to do that (install kubuntu-desktop), you can simply install kdebase + the apps you want. (its like a custom install of kde).

[Gina]

no it wouldn't break the gnome desktop. but you don't even have to do that (install kubuntu-desktop), you can simply install kdebase + the apps you want. (its like a custom install of kde).That's exactly what I have on this system - Gnome desktop plus KDEbase + some KDE apps.