The Opera Web Browser

[metalf8801]

Is the Opera Web Browser Open Source?

Thank you
Dan

[TheOrangePeanut]

No, it isn't.

[SunnyRabbiera]

No, however it has fairly decent linux support... except flash.

[Raven_Oscar]

In fact it is not. But it has quite good linux support. As for flash it works pretty well on 9.5 beta.

[eragon100]

It might not be openource, but I recommend you to use the latest beta, is it is stable and supports flash out of of the box.

With a little (simple) work, it also supports mplayer browser plugin :popcorn:

[cardinals_fan]

No, but it is awesome. Flash works fine.

[LaRoza]

No, however it has fairly decent linux support... except flash.

It doesn't. I use 9.50b2 and have used 9.50b since it came out. It is stable, feature rich, and adds features instead of subtracts them (Fx 3 anyone?). It did have an issue with the newest flash when Adobe changed it, but the new version works fine and older version of flash work in the other versions of Opera.

It works great.

As a youtube fan, and google video, flash works fine (well, as well as it does on Linux)

[gameryoshi600]

opera is not open source. it is freeware

Flash works well out of the box in 9.50 beta 2

[smartboyathome]

It doesn't. I use 9.50b2 and have used 9.50b since it came out. It is stable, feature rich, and adds features instead of subtracts them (Fx 3 anyone?). It did have an issue with the newest flash when Adobe changed it, but the new version works fine and older version of flash work in the other versions of Opera.

It works great.

As a youtube fan, and google video, flash works fine (well, as well as it does on Linux)

Firefox doesn't "subtract" features, it is just that a lot of the addons are not updated as quickly since it isn't released. The addons make it so that you can make the browser your own, there is no way for this to happen on Opera.

[Kinst]

Use the new beta version for flash support. (9.50 beta)

[akiratheoni]

Opera isn't open source, but is a pretty awesome browser. If I wasn't addicted to Firefox 3, I would use Opera (though I always keep it installed just in case... I think I'll go install the beta).

[zieglerj]

I want to try opera but can't find a 64-bit version. Anyone know where I could find it or if there is a work around to get the i386 version installed on a 64 bit system?

[LaRoza]

I want to try opera but can't find a 64-bit version. Anyone know where I could find it or if there is a work around to get the i386 version installed on a 64 bit system?

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413040

I seem to recall there being 64 bit packages, but I can't find them.

[cardinals_fan]

Firefox doesn't "subtract" features, it is just that a lot of the addons are not updated as quickly since it isn't released. The addons make it so that you can make the browser your own, there is no way for this to happen on Opera.
But Opera does have user javascript (think greasemonkey). I have a NoScript extension with some user js, and I use an adblock css user style. Firefox subtracts features in that the default install, which usually consumes more resources than Opera, and has fewer features. With that said, there are some really nice Firefox extensions.

[LaRoza]

With that said, there are some really nice Firefox extensions.

Firebug.

[MONODA]

Firebug
yeah firebug is great, but I love those opera widgets :P

[Erunno]

Firefox doesn't "subtract" features, it is just that a lot of the addons are not updated as quickly since it isn't released. The addons make it so that you can make the browser your own, there is no way for this to happen on Opera.

The Firefox plug-in system is with no doubt powerful and one its major selling points but at the same time you're at the mercy of plug-in developers to provide what I would call the bare minimum of features for a modern browser. I wish Mozilla would maintain a set of upstream developed plug-ins and release them with each version. With Opera I can always count on basic features being there and the Opera developers being responsible for maintaining them.

Still, I'd wish Opera would offer a powerful plug-in API as well to have the best of both worlds: Strong default feature set and an easy way to go beyond that.


Plus, Opera provided many Linux distributions with packages for a long time (something Mozilla can't do/bothered with) so they are in my good books. That, and providing a incredible browser for a long time. Where Opera leads, others follow. :-)

[smartboyathome]

The reason Mozilla didn't provide Firefox for Linux for a while (from what I've read) is because it hasn't been around as long as Opera. It was origionally Netscape, which was proprietary. Also, Firefox IS working with Ubuntu to provide FF3, and it is open source (developers have to make their own packages anyway), while Opera is closed source, meaning they have to pay people to create their own debian packages.

[akiratheoni]

I've been using Opera for the past day or two, it's pretty cool except 1.) I don't like the behavior of tabs when I close them, I'll have to find a way to adjust it and 2.) Any adblock equivalent?

[LaRoza]

I've been using Opera for the past day or two, it's pretty cool except 1.) I don't like the behavior of tabs when I close them, I'll have to find a way to adjust it and 2.) Any adblock equivalent?

I don't know what behavior is causing a problem.

Yes, right click and block content.

[cardinals_fan]

I've been using Opera for the past day or two, it's pretty cool except 1.) I don't like the behavior of tabs when I close them, I'll have to find a way to adjust it and 2.) Any adblock equivalent?
1. ?

2. Follow the instructions at http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-3436568.php. Beats Block Content any day :)

[jviscosi]

I've always liked Opera and keep it installed all the time, but the reason I don't use it instead of Firefox/Thunderbird is because it seems to be difficult to do anything meaningful with the M2 e-mail client from an outside application (e.g., create an e-mail with attachments via a script). I know I could use Opera as the browser with Thunderbird as the e-mail client, but I irrationally want to use M2 if I'm going to make Opera my main browser. (M2 is a GREAT e-mail client IMHO.)

[akiratheoni]

I don't know what behavior is causing a problem.

Yes, right click and block content.

Forgot about the block content, thanks for that.

It's just that when I browse forums I tend to middle click on a lot of threads that I want to read and when I view one thread, close it, it reverts all the way back to the previous tab that was opened rather than the one directly next to it. I do realize the merit in having Opera go back to the last tab viewed but I'm used to Firefox, lol. If there's a way to adjust it to the way I liked it, great but if there's not, I don't particular mind too much, it's a different browser and so I'll have to get used to a different way of doing things :) Just like Linux and Windows. Actually thinking about it, I don't want to adjust it, I'll get used to it.

[SomeGuyDude]

Opera's great.

Excelt flash makes it shut down sometimes, it doesn't use GTK, script support is dodgy, and it doesn't have anything resembling Firefox's Extensions.

Other than that, you know, it's awesome.

[cardinals_fan]

Forgot about the block content, thanks for that.

It's just that when I browse forums I tend to middle click on a lot of threads that I want to read and when I view one thread, close it, it reverts all the way back to the previous tab that was opened rather than the one directly next to it. I do realize the merit in having Opera go back to the last tab viewed but I'm used to Firefox, lol. If there's a way to adjust it to the way I liked it, great but if there's not, I don't particular mind too much, it's a different browser and so I'll have to get used to a different way of doing things :) Just like Linux and Windows. Actually thinking about it, I don't want to adjust it, I'll get used to it.
Did you try this (for adblocking): http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-3436568.php

[LaRoza]

Forgot about the block content, thanks for that.

It's just that when I browse forums I tend to middle click on a lot of threads that I want to read and when I view one thread, close it, it reverts all the way back to the previous tab that was opened rather than the one directly next to it. I do realize the merit in having Opera go back to the last tab viewed but I'm used to Firefox, lol. If there's a way to adjust it to the way I liked it, great but if there's not, I don't particular mind too much, it's a different browser and so I'll have to get used to a different way of doing things :) Just like Linux and Windows. Actually thinking about it, I don't want to adjust it, I'll get used to it.

I use mouse gestures for most things. Really handy (and built in, not a copied version made as an extensions like Firefox's)

Opera's great.

Excelt flash makes it shut down sometimes, it doesn't use GTK, script support is dodgy, and it doesn't have anything resembling Firefox's Extensions.

Other than that, you know, it's awesome.

That flash problem was fixed and doesn't happen in 9.50b2 (note, Firefox had (has?) a similar problem). So? Neither does VLC. It means nothing. It uses two QT libraries that the package manager will automatically install. It still starts faster than Firefox. Script support is very good. Standards compliant scripts work on Opera, but fail on Firefox (see my conversion calculator on my home page, all valid you know) No, it has many feature built in, and it more than enough for most uses. It also doesn't have Firefox's slowness.

[smartboyathome]

I don't like mouse gestures. That is one of the things that puts me off of Opera. Of course I could disable it, but I don't even want it in the browser.

[akiratheoni]

I use mouse gestures for most things. Really handy (and built in, not a copied version made as an extensions like Firefox's)

Yup yup, I already got mouse gestures configured :) I like mouse gestures and I used it in Firefox so naturally I enabled it in Opera.

[aysiu]

I have the same close tab behavior annoyance when it comes to Opera.

[Vaelrith]

Is the email and irc features turned off in the beta? I can't find it anywhere, it used to be in the slide out sidebar didn't it?

[LaRoza]

I don't like mouse gestures. That is one of the things that puts me off of Opera. Of course I could disable it, but I don't even want it in the browser.
Oh, I do. If it is disabled, what does it matter if it is there?

Is the email and irc features turned off in the beta? I can't find it anywhere, it used to be in the slide out sidebar didn't it?

There are there somewhere.

[Vaelrith]

Oh, I figured out if you right click on the popout sidebar and click customize you can change it. However, "Mail" and "Chat" are greyed out/disabled.... I guess they turned those off because it's beta?

[ChameleonDave]

Use the new beta version for flash support. (9.50 beta)

I have Opera 9.50 beta, and Flash does not work properly.

If it works for you. you're lucky.

Flash doesn't necessarily work in Konqueror either. I wish I could find a decent guide to making those browsers work as well as Firefox.

[tbroderick]

It's just that when I browse forums I tend to middle click on a lot of threads that I want to read and when I view one thread, close it, it reverts all the way back to the previous tab that was opened rather than the one directly next to it. I do realize the merit in having Opera go back to the last tab viewed but I'm used to Firefox, lol. If there's a way to adjust it to the way I liked it, great but if there's not, I don't particular mind too much, it's a different browser and so I'll have to get used to a different way of doing things :) Just like Linux and Windows. Actually thinking about it, I don't want to adjust it, I'll get used to it.


http://operawatch.com/news/2008/02/firefox-like-tab-behavior-now-in-opera.html

[mini_g]

Oh, I figured out if you right click on the popout sidebar and click customize you can change it. However, "Mail" and "Chat" are greyed out/disabled.... I guess they turned those off because it's beta?

Try creating an account (Under Tools > Mail and Chat Accounts) first. Tis what enabled them for me in the sidebar.

[G_man]

opera is not open source. it is freeware
well, you can say that about the linux browser and some others. But it not always free.

[master5o1]

I get the feeling that people here see this equation:

Opera + Firefox Extension Support = dream.

(of course, why not just use firefox then?)

I used Opera 9.x for a month last year and liked it...but near the end of the month got really pissed of with it (weird). FF is "so natural" now that I have been using it for years...

[smartboyathome]

Oh, I do. If it is disabled, what does it matter if it is there?

Yes, if it is there, it is taking up space on the disk, whereas with firefox, most functions you can add yourself, meaning not many that you don't want. Kind of like DIY (Arch) versus preconfigured (Ubuntu). :)

[Vaelrith]

Try creating an account (Under Tools > Mail and Chat Accounts) first. Tis what enabled them for me in the sidebar.

Wow, don't know how I overlooked that... Thanks

[LaRoza]

Yes, if it is there, it is taking up space on the disk, whereas with firefox, most functions you can add yourself, meaning not many that you don't want. Kind of like DIY (Arch) versus preconfigured (Ubuntu). :)

Open a couple of tabs with Firefox. Firefox is now using more RAM and disk space than Opera in the same situation.

[cardinals_fan]

Yes, if it is there, it is taking up space on the disk, whereas with firefox, most functions you can add yourself, meaning not many that you don't want. Kind of like DIY (Arch) versus preconfigured (Ubuntu). :)
But Firefox default is fatter than Opera default.

[mini_g]

Wow, don't know how I overlooked that... Thanks

No problem. Is easy to get used to things just working... :mrgreen:

[karellen]

epiphany, somebody? :D

[Vaelrith]

I used epiphany for a while. I liked it and think its a good browser, just needs a little more work. I can't wait for it to use webkit though.

[tom66]

Probably me, but I personally think it looks ugly on Linux, plus I want a *reasonably* lightweight browser for Linux, I don't need mail, I've got Evolution, I don't need IRC, I've got Pidgin.

[tdrusk]

It's not opensource.

With that being said, the beta runs better than Firefox on my computer.

[Barrucadu]

Probably me, but I personally think it looks ugly on Linux, plus I want a *reasonably* lightweight browser for Linux, I don't need mail, I've got Evolution, I don't need IRC, I've got Pidgin.

Have you looked at the themes? Opera has some amazing themes.

[tom66]

Firefox has some amazing themes. Maybe I'm just being stubborn, though.

[Npl]

Probably me, but I personally think it looks ugly on Linux, plus I want a *reasonably* lightweight browser for Linux, I don't need mail, I've got Evolution, I don't need IRC, I've got Pidgin.Opera is way more "lightweight" than Firefox without extensions, thats if you dont spell lightweight as featureless. And M2 Mail-Client > Evolution.

[cardinals_fan]

Probably me, but I personally think it looks ugly on Linux, plus I want a *reasonably* lightweight browser for Linux, I don't need mail, I've got Evolution, I don't need IRC, I've got Pidgin.
Opera will have slightly ugly menus under Ubuntu default because it uses Qt. It looks pretty on SLAX :)

[karellen]

i never managed to set the fonts right in Opera

[Npl]

i never managed to set the fonts right in Opera
Open ~/.opera/opera6.ini and make sure the [Fonts] Section exists and looks like this:

[Fonts]
Tooltip=12,4,0,0,0,0,DejaVu Sans [unknown]
Toolbar=12,4,0,0,0,0,DejaVu Sans [unknown]
Dialog=12,4,0,0,0,0,DejaVu Sans [unknown]
Panel=12,4,0,0,0,0,DejaVu Sans [unknown]
Menu=12,4,0,0,0,0,DejaVu Sans [unknown]

This works nicely with Ubuntus default Fonts and sizes.

[karellen]

Open ~/.opera/opera6.ini and make sure the [Fonts] Section exists and looks like this:

[Fonts]
Tooltip=12,4,0,0,0,0,DejaVu Sans [unknown]
Toolbar=12,4,0,0,0,0,DejaVu Sans [unknown]
Dialog=12,4,0,0,0,0,DejaVu Sans [unknown]
Panel=12,4,0,0,0,0,DejaVu Sans [unknown]
Menu=12,4,0,0,0,0,DejaVu Sans [unknown]

This works nicely with Ubuntus default Fonts and sizes.

thanks for the tip :)

[Barrucadu]

i never managed to set the fonts right in Opera

Or... Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Fonts